From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs terminology (not again!?) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:46:38 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <8738klw5c1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <877gact76s.fsf@gnu.org> <34c8c13b-c5c6-4e5a-9248-b09d5d1936da@default> <87eh4hkq6c.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83y52dk82n.fsf@gnu.org> <87zjmtwqtv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87mwitwmn5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87wqhx5t6s.fsf@gmail.com> <87sisl1cnc.fsf_-_@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390067223 19580 80.91.229.3 (18 Jan 2014 17:47:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:47:03 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 18 18:47:10 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W4ZzA-0003tU-Qh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:47:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43830 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4ZzA-00070h-GD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 12:47:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58222) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4Zz1-0006zj-Eh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 12:47:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4Zyu-0001oc-MV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 12:46:59 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:60363) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4Zyu-0001oY-G3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 12:46:52 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W4Zys-0003eo-L7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:46:50 +0100 Original-Received: from x2f4597d.dyn.telefonica.de ([2.244.89.125]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:46:50 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by x2f4597d.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:46:50 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 32 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: x2f4597d.dyn.telefonica.de X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:r6xUSGEvcoTug43hroiqR7zXqD0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:168701 Archived-At: Óscar Fuentes writes: > Sivaram Neelakantan writes: > >> No offence to the CUA/EVIL developers but don't these 2 modes get in >> the way of Emacs mastery as David says. I can understand someone >> asking for the vi . (dot command) functionality equivalent in Emacs >> but why humour them with modes that are at cross purposes to Emacs >> proficiency? > > After 12+ years of kosher Emacs use, some months ago I started to use > Evil and my editing proficiency (not to mention my RSSI) improved > noticeably. > > We all agree that not everything that Emacs does is the best for > everybody. I'll go further and say that some Emacs things are quite > bad. Default keybindings, for instance. Regarding cursor movements, I tend to agree. I'm using the cursor block instead here: it's not as well located as on my first computer, a Nascom II where it it's in home-position reach, but one can get used to working with it. Emacs improves when telling your keyboard that it should employ the CapsLock key (who needs that?) as Control. I've not used viper mode myself: I think it has fewer conflicts with the standard Emacs keybindings than CUA-mode has. Of course, it still makes your Emacs diverge from the Emacs explained in the manuals, so in that respect alone, it is not a learner's environment. -- David Kastrup