From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs terminology (not again!?) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 09:59:29 +0900 Message-ID: <8738kkbxce.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <877gact76s.fsf@gnu.org> <34c8c13b-c5c6-4e5a-9248-b09d5d1936da@default> <87eh4hkq6c.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83y52dk82n.fsf@gnu.org> <87zjmtwqtv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87ob391cgf.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87y52duqcz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390093257 20417 80.91.229.3 (19 Jan 2014 01:00:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 01:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 19 02:01:04 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W4gl4-0000Ve-8k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 02:01:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44736 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4gl3-00056W-U7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 20:01:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43438) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4gku-00055Z-QN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 20:01:00 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4gkn-0002Bu-Ce for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 20:00:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:37288) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4gkf-0001kp-DP; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 20:00:37 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DB0970A3D; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 09:59:29 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 679121A3422; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 09:59:29 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87y52duqcz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" 2a0f42961ed4 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:168707 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > What _should_ be making us think about our priorities is when we lose > the input of heavy Emacs users like RMS, Ben Wing, Nix, to Repetitive > Strain Injury, and it appears like users of other editors are not > affected to a similar degree. Ben wasn't RSI (the disease affected all of his joints) although the end effect was very similar. As for those three examples, I suspect the controlling factor is that they can write code faster than even Emacs can help them type it. I haven't met the other two, but I've watched Ben work, and his runs of non-stop typing run to minutes, as if he was a court stenographer trying to keep up with the Devil and Daniel Webster.[1] But I think the important point is the one that Lennart made: Emacs's editing primitives and editor construction language are the important thing, and the default keymaps are just a way for the community to standardize things like tutorials and organize new addition to the set of key-bound commands. It's a shame that there isn't a powerful facility for theming keymaps. Footnotes: [1] American folklore -- Daniel Webster was a lawyer who argued Satan to a standstill when he came to collect on a sold soul deal. It took a while. :-)