From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: In defense of Customize [was: Trying to right-align my window on startup] Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:56:02 +0000 Message-ID: <8738k4cw5p.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> References: <3cec217d-8adb-4e6c-b239-eff0c8b520c9@googlegroups.com> <6hrwqhkjfv6.fsf@sap.com> <6hr38k5rd3n.fsf@sap.com> <87k3dhwbql.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1391162180 15370 80.91.229.3 (31 Jan 2014 09:56:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:56:20 +0000 (UTC) To: Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 31 10:56:27 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W9Apm-0006R3-TR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:56:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54005 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9Apm-000621-Dz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 04:56:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42708) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9ApY-00061f-4q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 04:56:17 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9ApT-0001pV-DN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 04:56:12 -0500 Original-Received: from cheviot12.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.12]:49841) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9ApT-0001pM-7l for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 04:56:07 -0500 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129]) by cheviot12.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1W9ApS-0001y9-Bg for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:56:06 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost (jangai.ncl.ac.uk [10.66.67.223]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s0V9u5IS013262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:56:06 GMT In-Reply-To: <87k3dhwbql.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> (Emanuel Berg's message of "Thu, 30 Jan 2014 19:44:09 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.12 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:95829 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > Of course it is possible if it is possible in Elisp. If > it is possible in one way, it is possible in another > way, that does the same. That Lisp is for everything - > imperative, functional, data markup, meta > programming... - this is what makes Lisp *great*. This > "side effect"-free hysteria of Haskell etc. is an > artistic/aesthetic construction, and it has little to > do with reality. You can argue that this is true of everything beyond the lambda calculus. It's not that useful an argument though. Haskell was designed to show what you could do with a lazy functional language, and it does that well. It is the case that you can do things in this environment that are not possible in other languages. Whether these are worth the constraints or not is a different issue. Phil