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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Barry Fishman <barry_fishman@acm.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: <Multi_key> is undefined
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:40:31 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8738i8idbk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3wqfkbtce.fsf@barry_fishman.acm.org>

Barry Fishman writes:

 > But that environment does not work.

True, for the moment.

 > If the choice is to figure out how to modify your environment
 > variables before entering Emacs, or have Emacs just work, I choose
 > the latter.

Unfortunately, that is not the choice.  We have no choice but to
prepare to defend ourselves for some time: we are under attack by the
slings and arrows of outrageous IM developers.

For reasons I don't understand, the Linux[1], X11, and generic-IM
communities have chosen to repeatedly change keyboard handling in
backward-incompatible ways.  From what I hear from Ubuntu users, at
least generic-IM still doesn't have it right.  So we may suffer
another such attack in the not so distant future (due to what Jamie
calls the "CADT syndrome" <URL:http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html>).

 > Either way it is a gross hack.

Precisely.  If you have an up-to-date environment, a patched Emacs
will work without the hack.  This *should* remain true indefinitely,
modulo the aforementioned slings and arrows.  There's no guarantee
with the hack, and the hack *will* break something else for some
people.

Footnotes: 
[1]  If you're Gibozing, Richard, indeed I do mean the kernel
development community.




  reply	other threads:[~2014-03-24  1:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-23  8:33 <Multi_key> is undefined David Kastrup
2014-03-23  8:48 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-03-23  9:17   ` David Kastrup
2014-03-23  9:20     ` Daniel Colascione
2014-03-23  9:29       ` David Kastrup
2014-03-23 16:14         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-23 16:22           ` David Kastrup
2014-03-23 16:47             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-23 17:50             ` Werner LEMBERG
2014-03-23 18:15               ` David Kastrup
2014-03-23 10:21       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-03-23 13:20         ` David Kastrup
2014-03-23  9:20     ` David Kastrup
2014-03-23  9:40     ` Andreas Schwab
2014-03-23  9:52       ` David Kastrup
2014-03-23  9:56         ` Andreas Schwab
2014-03-23 10:08           ` Daniel Colascione
2014-03-23 10:16             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-03-23 10:23               ` Werner LEMBERG
2014-03-23 10:25               ` Daniel Colascione
2014-03-23 11:37                 ` Werner LEMBERG
2014-03-23 11:39                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-03-23 11:44                     ` Werner LEMBERG
2014-03-23 11:50                       ` Daniel Colascione
2014-03-23 11:57                         ` Werner LEMBERG
2014-03-23 12:10                           ` Daniel Colascione
2014-03-23 14:33                             ` Barry Fishman
2014-03-23 14:46                               ` Daniel Colascione
2014-03-23 19:36                                 ` Barry Fishman
2014-03-24  1:40                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2014-03-23 13:44                 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-23 10:16 ` Werner LEMBERG
2014-03-23 13:55   ` Barry Fishman
2014-03-23 12:35 ` Teemu Likonen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-04-08 14:06 jonetsu
     [not found] <mailman.208.1428504833.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-04-08 17:21 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-08 18:59   ` Re[2]: " jonetsu
2015-04-09  0:44     ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]   ` <mailman.230.1428519467.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-04-09  2:57     ` Re[2]: " Rusi
2015-04-09 19:53       ` Re[4]: " jonetsu
2015-04-10  2:49         ` Eric Abrahamsen
     [not found]       ` <mailman.329.1428609127.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-04-10 16:20         ` Re[4]: " Rusi
2015-04-10 17:37           ` Stefan Monnier

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