* Re: problem with https and w3-fetch ... sometimes [not found] <mailman.6910.1407670460.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2014-08-10 20:14 ` Emanuel Berg 2014-08-11 0:34 ` Bob Proulx [not found] ` <mailman.6940.1407717289.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2014-08-10 23:25 ` Stefan Monnier 1 sibling, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2014-08-10 20:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs prayner <prayner@unimelb.edu.au> writes: > Quite recently my access to google searches using > emacs/w3 has broken. What is w3? Is it some progenitor of Emacs-w3m? If you'd consider using w3m, or w3m code perhaps still works for you, I have written a lightning-fast system for all kinds of searches - just bind it to a global keystroke, and search (not just with Goggle) from anywhere in Emacs - also, it suggests the region text as default, and has other cool stuff as well. http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/emacs-init/w3m/search.el -- underground experts united ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: problem with https and w3-fetch ... sometimes 2014-08-10 20:14 ` problem with https and w3-fetch ... sometimes Emanuel Berg @ 2014-08-11 0:34 ` Bob Proulx [not found] ` <mailman.6940.1407717289.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Bob Proulx @ 2014-08-11 0:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Emanuel Berg wrote: > prayner <prayner@unimelb.edu.au> writes: > > > Quite recently my access to google searches using > > emacs/w3 has broken. > > What is w3? Is it some progenitor of Emacs-w3m? I previously ran into mention of Emacs W3 and therefore had researched these references already. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/w3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacs/W3 > If you'd consider using w3m, or w3m code perhaps still > works for you, I have written a lightning-fast system > for all kinds of searches - just bind it to a global > keystroke, and search (not just with Goggle) from > anywhere in Emacs - also, it suggests the region text > as default, and has other cool stuff as well. > > http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/emacs-init/w3m/search.el Because the original poster mentions emacspeak I presume that is the reason for using W3. W3 is the first listed application in the web task list. I presume they might be visually impaired and have been using it this way for quite some time and will be accustomed to the way emacs W3 works. But I think that emacspeak will work well with w3m too because w3m is listed in the list of web applications for emacspeak too. http://www.emacswiki.org/EmacSpeak http://emacspeak.sourceforge.net/ Bob ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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* Re: problem with https and w3-fetch ... sometimes [not found] ` <mailman.6940.1407717289.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2014-08-11 21:48 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2014-08-11 21:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs (I'm sending this to the original posters mail as well, and I did so with my previous reply as well. Doesn't that show up? It is in the To: header, perhaps you looked in the Cc: header?) Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com> writes: > Because the original poster mentions emacspeak I > presume that is the reason for using W3. Oh, I didn't even react to that, which I should have, because I even experimented with emacspeak a while back and wrote about it on this very list. This is what I wrote then - note that this was from my situation, which (at that time) was very bad compared to a fully healthy person, but still of course cannot be compared to a severely impaired or blind person. The reason I didn't like plain emacspeak was that it was too verbose, so I thought I'd setup functions to have it read certain long paragraphs for me - selectively, not everything and always. Oh, and let me say I am very, very confident in Emacs being the right tool for lots of people with special situations, because of Emacs configurability and the ease with which new modules can be put to work. In my case, I was able to do that myself, but I'm a programmer... You know the other day when I said that programmers shouldn't invent "new" programming languages and so on, they should put their talents to help humanity? This sounds pompous to be sure but actually it is very down-to-earth, and here is a fine example (though I don't know any details). This was a long excursion, this is what I wrote: ... it [emacspeak] was based on espeak, which is available in the Debian repos as a stand-alone-tool, and so I wrote es () { espeak -s 130 -k 20 -v en -f $1 -w `basename $1 .txt`.wav } to create sound files from text, and it should be a small task to setup defuns to interact with it. ... I don't know if it can replace reading. It will certainly not be as enjoyable. But what do you do? All tricks to compensate for the loss of information intake should be explored. -- underground experts united ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: problem with https and w3-fetch ... sometimes [not found] <mailman.6910.1407670460.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2014-08-10 20:14 ` problem with https and w3-fetch ... sometimes Emanuel Berg @ 2014-08-10 23:25 ` Stefan Monnier 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2014-08-10 23:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs > I think I've chased this down to tls.el so I suspect something has > changed in gnutls-cli. > This is with emacs 24.3.1 and gnutls 3.1.25 > Can anyone suggest routes to debugging this? I'd be happy to take patches that make W3 use the open-network-stream function's builtin TLS support (via libgnutls) instead of going through gnutls-cli. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* problem with https and w3-fetch ... sometimes @ 2014-08-10 11:33 prayner 2014-08-11 0:54 ` Bob Proulx 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: prayner @ 2014-08-10 11:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Quite recently my access to google searches using emacs/w3 has broken. This is using the emacspeak auditory feedback package but I don't believe the problem is there. If I run w3-fetch on the following url https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&q=%3E+lequere+2014+earth+system+data&num=25 I get an incomplete web page (no results) and a warning from gnutls that the connection was improperly terminated. If I feed the same url to google-chrome or firefox I get the complete page. I think I've chased this down to tls.el so I suspect something has changed in gnutls-cli. This is with emacs 24.3.1 and gnutls 3.1.25 Can anyone suggest routes to debugging this? please reply directly as well as to the group. thanks in advance Peter -- Peter Rayner room 343 School of Earth Sciences, University of Melbourne, 3010, Vic, Australia tel: work: +61 (0)3 8344 9708; fax: +61 (0)3 8344 7761 mobile +61 402 752 379, skype: petermorag mail-to: prayner@unimelb.edu.au google scholar profile <http://scholar.google.com.au/citations?user=H3up71wAAAAJ&hl=en> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: problem with https and w3-fetch ... sometimes 2014-08-10 11:33 prayner @ 2014-08-11 0:54 ` Bob Proulx 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Bob Proulx @ 2014-08-11 0:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: prayner; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs Hello Peter, prayner wrote: > please reply directly as well as to the group. Unfortunately several of us forgot to do this and there was some discussion about your problem on the mailing list that did not include you. Although unfortunately none of us who responded knew of your problem or how to address it directly. So that probably doesn't matter anyway. Sorry. You can follow the complete set of responses in this next link to the mailing list archives. This next link goes to your message in the archive and the responses follow it there. http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2014-08/msg00108.html However Emanuel Berg wrote this following that sounds hopeful to me: If you'd consider using w3m, or w3m code perhaps still works for you, I have written a lightning-fast system for all kinds of searches - just bind it to a global keystroke, and search (not just with Goggle) from anywhere in Emacs - also, it suggests the region text as default, and has other cool stuff as well. http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/emacs-init/w3m/search.el The link at the end of his response links directly to an emacs lisp file with the code for w3m that he is suggesting you try. Also Stefan Monnier wrote this following sentence: I'd be happy to take patches that make W3 use the open-network-stream function's builtin TLS support (via libgnutls) instead of going through gnutls-cli. That sounds hopeful to me. Someone familiar with emacs lisp and emacs w3 could recode it to avoid the tls network problem. > Can anyone suggest routes to debugging this? I fear that few people are using Emacs W3 these days and perhaps no one on this mailing list is using it. You may need to find an emacs w3 expert elsewhere. I tried your example link with emacs w3m and the full page was rendered okay. I think someone familiar with Emacs W3 code would need to update W3 for whatever changes happened at Google. I think that if w3m works for you then w3m would be much better supported these days than W3. Since w3m is listed as a supported application in the emacspeak task list I would try it next. Either way please write us on the mailing list again and give us an update on things. Bob ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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