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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: esr@thyrsus.com
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Removing rollback from VC mode - request for comment
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 09:33:01 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87388lhflu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141211174508.GC581@thyrsus.com>

Eric S. Raymond writes:

 > The git equivalent of actually removing a delta would be *really
 > hard*.  

Nonsense.  It's called "rebase".  If you mean "to do completely
automatically", sure -- I'd say impossible -- but if we could automate
that, who needs vc.el?  The reason for having this functionality in
Emacs is that this kind of work needs to be human-driven, and Emacs is
the best tool we have for optimizing the balance between human
decision-making and automatable operations.

I'm really disappointed.  Re-specifying vc.el is a job for an expert.
You really ought to do more homework on the application domain and the
users' use cases before proposing major changes to the functionality.

This thread seriously undermines your whole thesis about "removing
barriers to committing patches Emacs will increase contribution".  I
suspect that the most important contributions to the vc.el revision
effort will be posts to emacs-devel, and conversely, most of those
posters will provide zero code to vc.el during this period.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-12-12  0:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-11  9:21 Removing rollback from VC mode - request for comment Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-11  9:43 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-11 12:23   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-12-11 12:51     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-11 16:24       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-11 17:12         ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-11 18:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-11 17:45         ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-11 18:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-11 19:54           ` Sergey Organov
2014-12-11 20:53             ` Sergey Organov
2014-12-11 21:49             ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-12  0:57               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-12 10:54                 ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-12  0:33           ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2014-12-12  3:21             ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-11 11:51 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-11 12:42   ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-11 12:57     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-11 16:23     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-11 11:53 ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-11 11:57   ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-11 12:36     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-11 13:48       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-11 14:27       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-11 15:59         ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-11 16:21       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-11 17:01         ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-11 18:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-11 19:24             ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-11 20:23               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-11 20:59               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-12 15:44                 ` John Mastro
2014-12-12 16:01                   ` Nicolas Richard
2014-12-12 19:22                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-14 12:11                       ` Jonas Bernoulli
2014-12-14 19:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-14 23:29                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-15 13:10                           ` Jonas Bernoulli
2014-12-15 17:21                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-12 19:22                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-11 21:11               ` Rasmus
2014-12-11 17:09         ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-12  0:21           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-12  3:19             ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-12 10:57             ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-12 13:57               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-12 14:06                 ` Sergey Organov
2014-12-12 16:04                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-14 14:40               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-14 20:48                 ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-14 23:29                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-15  2:04                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-15  9:04                     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-11 18:55       ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-11 19:28         ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-11 20:21           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-12  9:06             ` vc-region-authors (or some such) Sebastien Vauban
2014-12-12 14:22               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-12 16:13                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-11 15:47 ` Removing rollback from VC mode - request for comment Stefan Monnier
2014-12-11 17:02   ` Sergey Organov
2014-12-11 18:36   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-11 19:40     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-12 16:41     ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-12 17:45       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-13 12:46         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-13 13:41           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-14  9:07             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-14 10:04               ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-14 14:01                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-12-11 19:25 ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-11 19:50 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-12 15:42 ` Uwe Brauer
2014-12-12 16:15   ` David Kastrup
2014-12-12 17:16     ` Uwe Brauer
2014-12-12 17:43       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-12 19:02         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-12 20:54           ` Uwe Brauer
2014-12-12 21:49             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-13  9:30               ` Uwe Brauer
2014-12-13  9:42                 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-13 10:32                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-13 10:45                     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-13 11:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-13 13:59                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-13 15:21                   ` Uwe Brauer
2014-12-14  4:06                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-14 13:13                       ` Uwe Brauer
2014-12-14 13:27                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-15 17:25                           ` Uwe Brauer
2014-12-15  4:38                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-15  9:14                           ` David Kastrup
2014-12-15 17:34                           ` Uwe Brauer
2014-12-17 21:01                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-12 20:52         ` Uwe Brauer
2014-12-12 17:41     ` Multiple independent projects per directory Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-12 18:07   ` Removing rollback from VC mode - request for comment Thien-Thi Nguyen

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