From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Do we want more choice? (was Bookmark the end of file?) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:36:38 +0200 Message-ID: <873844fpj7.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <87vbh8hlns.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <1b751175-4544-44e7-bbcd-d5a01bf92624@default> <39b824d1-e8d2-4bf7-a983-c6cefff83dad@googlegroups.com> <291260f3-daa1-4ab4-8840-2ee9b9f164ec@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1428910646 412 80.91.229.3 (13 Apr 2015 07:37:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 07:37:26 +0000 (UTC) To: Rusi , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 13 09:37:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YhYvf-0000Fu-G5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:37:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47387 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YhYve-0004Fx-EN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Apr 2015 03:37:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35337) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YhYvN-0004Fo-I6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Apr 2015 03:36:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YhYvI-0005X3-38 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Apr 2015 03:36:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:53143) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YhYvH-0005Ww-SC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Apr 2015 03:36:48 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D134F6089; Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:36:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VYhtYxGYk+nu; Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:36:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (117-116.echostar.pl [213.156.117.116]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AA5CF4F6087; Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:36:43 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: <291260f3-daa1-4ab4-8840-2ee9b9f164ec@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103684 Archived-At: On 2015-04-13, at 07:35, Drew Adams wrote: >> There is a general realization nowadays, that everything being >> equal, less choice is likely better than more choice: > > "A general realization." "Nowadays." Ooooh. Can't argue with that. This made me laugh. And I thought of this: http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html immediately. > Not to mention that no one proposed forcing users to choose > anything here. Define a default behavior. Provide an easy > way to get other, optional behavior. No imposition. No user > paralysis before a terrifying and difficult dilemma. Perfectly > ignorable choice; zero choosing needed. +1. I guess that Gnus users are exactly the ones dissatisfied by the /lack/ of choices in Thunderbird. (Though I admit that the difficulty of setup of Gnus scared me off, and I'm happy with mu4e.) OTOH, I agree that reasonable defaults is what should be pursued. BTW, there is at least one community which commonly regards "too few choices" as something very bad: boardgamers. And the intersection of boardgamers and computer geeks is not only nonempty, but rather big, I would guess. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University