From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/internationa Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2015 20:53:39 +0200 Message-ID: <8737yut3rg.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <55E9AFEC.9010309@cs.ucla.edu> <20150904162349.GC2991@acm.fritz.box> <55E9D9BB.90905@cs.ucla.edu> <87k2s6t5vx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <55E9E45E.7090206@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1441392849 17202 80.91.229.3 (4 Sep 2015 18:54:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 18:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Emacs Development To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 04 20:54:08 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXw7Z-0001H9-Fo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2015 20:53:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34424 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXw7Y-0005tL-S2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:53:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43849) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXw7L-0005sj-ED for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:53:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXw7K-0006ES-LY for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:53:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59384) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXw7J-0006Dm-8S; Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:53:41 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44970 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZXw7I-00019Y-Ln; Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:53:40 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 02D05E0FA8; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 20:53:39 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <55E9E45E.7090206@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Fri, 4 Sep 2015 11:35:10 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:189614 Archived-At: Paul Eggert writes: > On 09/04/2015 11:07 AM, David Kastrup wrote: >> whether the >> display/font/whatever warrants specific marking for third-party texts > > This is not strictly a third-party issue. For example, the Emacs > manual is not a third-party text, and it uses curved quotes. Its use of curved quotes is outside of the interactive Emacs' control, so for the purpose of display-related options, it is a third-party text. Some people might want to have an Info-specific setting of such a display option, but an Emacs-specific setting does not make any sense. > True, we could develop a more-complicated mechanism, presumably with > more variables to control the added complexity -- for example, we > could implement three separate variables to control quotes in > diagnostics vs quotes in help buffers vs quotes in info files -- but > there are advantages to keeping things simple when user need for the > extra complexity has not been demonstrated. Conversion of Emacs' _output_ and _display_ manipulations are entirely separate operations. It does not make sense to conflate them by stipulating a set of permissible motives for either desire. -- David Kastrup