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From: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net>
To: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@users.sourceforge.net>
Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>,
	Tino Calancha <f92capac@gmail.com>,
	23781@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#23781: 25.0.95; read-string with HIST lexically bound
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 20:53:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8737o1w15d.fsf@gmx.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAM-tV--mkNNno6Vu+3Lassyqy0vEYtodxwErWLAoX0XeGZ0eRQ@mail.gmail.com> (Noam Postavsky's message of "Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:53:18 -0400")

On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:53:18 -0400 Noam Postavsky <npostavs@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 6:12 AM, Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 20:26:45 -0400 Noam Postavsky
>> <npostavs@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 7:18 PM, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>> I think we should be a little more specific, not
>>>>> just give examples, something like:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Note that functions which take a symbol argument (like
>>>>>     ‘symbol-value’, ‘boundp’, and ‘set’) can only retrieve or modify a
>>>>>     variable’s dynamic binding (i.e., the contents of its symbol’s
>>>>>     value cell).
>>>>
>>>> Be even more specific: A Lisp symbol is a dynamic thing.
>>>> It is an object.  Lexical binding has nothing to do with symbols.
>>>> A given _name_ in code can sometimes be lexically bound.
>>>
>>> Hmm, this threatens to get a little philosophical, but that seems to
>>> contradict earlier text in the same node:
>>>
>>>        Here is how lexical binding works.  Each binding construct
>>>     defines a “lexical environment”, specifying the symbols that are
>>>     bound within the construct and their local values.
>>
>> I think it's more a question of definition than philosophy: AFAIU using
>> the word "symbols" here is strictly speaking incorrect; it should be
>> "variables".
>
> Yes, perhaps the implementation details leaked a bit too much into the
> description. I think it remains the case that the name of a variable
> is a symbol (as opposed to a string) though.

Well, the info node `(elisp) Variables' says:

   In Lisp, each variable is represented by a Lisp symbol (see
   Symbols::).  The variable name is simply the symbol’s name [...]

and a symbol's name is a string (according to `symbol-name').  But maybe
we should leave the bike shed before this gets too philosophical ;-)

Steve Berman 






  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-25 18:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-17  5:19 bug#23781: 25.0.95; read-string with HIST lexically bound Tino Calancha
2016-06-17 15:25 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-06-23 23:01   ` Noam Postavsky
2016-06-23 23:18     ` Drew Adams
2016-06-25  0:26       ` Noam Postavsky
2016-06-25 10:12         ` Stephen Berman
2016-06-25 16:53           ` Noam Postavsky
2016-06-25 18:53             ` Stephen Berman [this message]
2016-06-25 19:46               ` Noam Postavsky
2016-06-25 22:07                 ` Stephen Berman
2016-06-25 23:42                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-06-26  3:34                     ` Noam Postavsky
2016-06-27  0:55                       ` Noam Postavsky
2016-07-01  4:07                         ` npostavs
2016-06-26  2:23                   ` Drew Adams
2016-06-25 21:00               ` Drew Adams
2016-06-25 20:42             ` Drew Adams
2016-06-24  2:24     ` Tino Calancha

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