From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:32:25 +0200 Message-ID: <8737nmbx4m.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <87h9cdmj6t.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <5775A512.4020803@gmail.com> <8337ntvm2d.fsf@gnu.org> <5776B89F.60704@gmail.com> <83k2h5tbtv.fsf@gnu.org> <5776E1F4.3020709@gmail.com> <83eg7ctt90.fsf@gnu.org> <87poqwpfld.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <83y45ks69l.fsf@gnu.org> <87inwkari1.fsf@mbork.pl> <83eg77oott.fsf@gnu.org> <87a8hvc0yr.fsf@mbork.pl> <8360sion9i.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467819975 21669 80.91.229.3 (6 Jul 2016 15:46:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stromeko@nexgo.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 06 17:46:09 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bKp1b-0005J1-Aw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:46:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34344 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKp1a-00059N-D4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:46:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34597) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKooT-0007S4-73 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:32:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKooS-0003ba-1h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:32:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([2a01:5e00:2:52::8]:47788) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKooO-0003Yp-95; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:32:28 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818121AF5E; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 17:32:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PasUzI5Lr8Uw; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 17:32:22 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (apn-77-112-87-171.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl [77.112.87.171]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3CE1D1AF5B; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 17:32:22 +0200 (CEST) User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 25.1.50.3 In-reply-to: <8360sion9i.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2a01:5e00:2:52::8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205265 Archived-At: On 2016-07-06, at 16:27, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Marcin Borkowski >> Cc: Stromeko@nexgo.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 21:57:16 +0200 >> >> >> On 2016-07-02, at 12:07, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> >> >> > You are missing the point. The point is how much of the basic >> >> > functionality one needs to master before they can use a single feature >> >> >> >> As I said, in case of Org, next to none. >> > >> > That is false (I do use Org seriously). >> >> No, it isn't. >> >> In order to start to use outlining (one feature) you only need to know >> how to mark up headlines (bol + stars + space + title) and how to use >> TAB to cycle visibility. > > If I need only outlining, I don't need Org, I can use the Outline > mode. We are talking about features that are in Org and only in Org. > > Come on, let's be serious in this discussion! Sorry, Eli, but I can say the same. Be serious. As I wrote: > I covered more than half a dozen extremely useful features and you commented on _one_ of them. And mentioning Outline mode in a discussion on _ease of use_ as an alternative of Org is kind of strange. Compared to Org, Outline mode is almost unusable wrt visibility cycling. Yes, it has more capabilities, but it also has an order of magnitude more commands to remember! Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University