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From: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Stromeko@nexgo.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:32:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8737nmbx4m.fsf@mbork.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8360sion9i.fsf@gnu.org>


On 2016-07-06, at 16:27, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

>> From: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl>
>> Cc: Stromeko@nexgo.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 21:57:16 +0200
>> 
>> >> On 2016-07-02, at 12:07, Eli Zaretskii <address@hidden> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > You are missing the point.  The point is how much of the basic
>> >> > functionality one needs to master before they can use a single feature
>> >> 
>> >> As I said, in case of Org, next to none.
>> >
>> > That is false (I do use Org seriously).
>> 
>> No, it isn't.
>> 
>> In order to start to use outlining (one feature) you only need to know
>> how to mark up headlines (bol + stars + space + title) and how to use
>> TAB to cycle visibility.
>
> If I need only outlining, I don't need Org, I can use the Outline
> mode.  We are talking about features that are in Org and only in Org.
>
> Come on, let's be serious in this discussion!

Sorry, Eli, but I can say the same.  Be serious.  As I wrote:

> I covered more than half a dozen extremely useful features

and you commented on _one_ of them.  And mentioning Outline mode in
a discussion on _ease of use_ as an alternative of Org is kind of
strange.  Compared to Org, Outline mode is almost unusable wrt
visibility cycling.  Yes, it has more capabilities, but it also has an
order of magnitude more commands to remember!

Best,

-- 
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
Adam Mickiewicz University



  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-06 15:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-15 20:55 Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole (Was: Call for testers for GNU Hyperbole 5.12, a large, useful Emacs package) Robert Weiner
2016-06-15 21:53 ` Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole John Wiegley
2016-06-15 22:16   ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-16  0:39     ` John Wiegley
2016-06-16 14:41       ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-16 23:18         ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-16 23:51           ` John Wiegley
2016-06-17  0:19             ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-17  5:02               ` Tom
2016-06-17 15:29                 ` raman
2016-06-17 23:54                 ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-18 16:47                 ` Fabrice Popineau
2016-06-18 17:05                   ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-28 15:23                 ` Eric S Fraga
2016-06-28 15:43                   ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-29 14:34                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-29 15:04                     ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-30 17:58                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-30 23:02                         ` Scott Randby
2016-07-01  7:45                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-01  8:17                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-07-01  9:46                               ` Eric S Fraga
2016-07-01 20:53                               ` Tom
2016-07-05 18:24                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-01 22:09                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-01 23:01                                 ` Allen S. Rout
2016-07-03  0:06                                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-05 18:21                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-05 19:44                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-05 19:53                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-06 14:26                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-06 15:41                                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-01 22:09                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-02  7:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-03  0:06                                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-01 18:38                             ` Scott Randby
2016-07-01 19:09                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-01 21:11                                 ` Tom
2016-07-02  6:43                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-03  0:05                                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-05 18:13                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-06 22:22                                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-01 21:34                                 ` Scott Randby
2016-07-01 21:58                                   ` John Mastro
2016-07-02  7:05                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-02  9:13                                     ` Achim Gratz
2016-07-02 10:07                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-02 10:36                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-05 18:07                                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-05 19:41                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-05 19:57                                             ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-06 14:27                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-06 15:32                                                 ` Marcin Borkowski [this message]
2016-07-06 15:42                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-06 18:08                                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-03  0:05                                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-03 13:59                                     ` Scott Randby
2016-07-03 14:19                                     ` Scott Randby
2016-07-05 18:02                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-02  9:00                                 ` Joost Kremers
2016-07-02  9:55                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-05 18:17                                   ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-05 17:51                             ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-06-29 16:33                     ` Tom
2016-06-29 17:30                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-29 20:04                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-29 22:15                         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2016-06-30  2:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-30 13:41                           ` Allen S. Rout
2016-07-03  0:08                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-29 17:30                     ` Allen S. Rout
2016-06-29 20:04                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-30  8:26                     ` Eric S Fraga
2016-07-03 22:36                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-04 13:58                         ` Kaushal Modi
2016-07-04 21:20                           ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-04 21:33                             ` Robert Weiner
2016-07-05 22:59                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-06  4:21                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-06 22:29                                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-06  7:12                                 ` Nikolai Weibull
2016-07-06 22:30                                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-07 12:09                                     ` Nikolai Weibull
     [not found]                               ` <921c10a04c17462988c2821ed40582e7@DB5PR01MB1895.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
2016-07-06  8:06                                 ` Eric S Fraga
2016-07-07 21:54                                   ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                   ` <33003e1e02b04d2db5ee60baff9a040f@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
2016-07-08 12:23                                     ` Eric S Fraga
2016-07-09 16:56                                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-10  6:47                                         ` chad brown
2016-07-10 14:41                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-04 21:33                             ` Phillip Lord
2016-07-05 13:11                               ` Etienne Prud'homme
2016-07-05 14:57                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-05 23:03                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-06  8:49                                   ` Joost Kremers
2016-07-07 21:54                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-06 10:44                                   ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-05 16:16                             ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-06 22:22                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-05 17:26                             ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-07 22:01                               ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                           ` <<E1bKBHv-0000lE-Bw@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-07-04 22:26                             ` Drew Adams
2016-07-05 17:50                           ` Nikolaus Rath
2016-07-05 20:30                         ` joakim
2016-07-06 22:24                           ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-02  7:18                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-02  8:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-05 15:49                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-03  0:06                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-05 15:53                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-06 22:22                           ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-17 13:31               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-06-18 18:02                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-18 20:31                   ` Fabrice Popineau
2016-06-19 11:49                     ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-19 12:36                       ` Fabrice Popineau
2016-06-17 15:27             ` raman
2016-06-16 23:57           ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-17 15:53           ` Karl Fogel
2016-06-18 18:06             ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-20 18:15               ` Karl Fogel
2016-06-20 20:36                 ` Tom
2016-06-28 15:28               ` Eric S Fraga
2016-06-16  8:44 ` Re:Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole (Was: Call for testers for GNU Hyperbole 5.12, a large, useful Emacs package) tumashu
2016-06-16 14:07   ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-16 15:38   ` Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole raman
2016-06-16 16:06     ` Robert Weiner

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