From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Colin Baxter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: cairo now default? Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 13:01:29 +0000 Message-ID: <8736bzwx92.fsf@yandex.com> References: <87ftfzx509.fsf@yandex.com> <87blqnx1vi.fsf@yandex.com> <877e1bx0kl.fsf@yandex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="7228"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Robert Pluim Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 28 14:02:27 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iwQVe-0001qG-RI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 14:02:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58918 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iwQVd-0002Lu-Ty for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 08:02:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55190) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iwQUy-0001rG-Da for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 08:01:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iwQUt-0006rF-Gl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 08:01:41 -0500 Original-Received: from forward106j.mail.yandex.net ([2a02:6b8:0:801:2::109]:36628) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iwQUq-0006oG-TT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 08:01:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mxback19o.mail.yandex.net (mxback19o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::70]) by forward106j.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 0726511A04DB; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:01:32 +0300 (MSK) Original-Received: from sas1-5ebd8269dbc4.qloud-c.yandex.net (sas1-5ebd8269dbc4.qloud-c.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:c14:3611:0:640:5ebd:8269]) by mxback19o.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id HS5CoeX0d3-1V7qZqAI; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:01:31 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1580216491; bh=MaIWXwBk05dvGHdZIcIjFgYVdxCvgyMfhLV3iEOc+9c=; h=In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From:Cc:Cc:Date:References:Message-ID; b=jfLRdfWmZIviun1BLN/Fi9BBcDd2T0YDXC7TvgbmD5CySinLY6HquRRcPRDrbvCt+ R3TbSt9fy5wSPGIbtgBhPusGT5QwQkjJgp7gxu21wjNVuq+8irS/PY1kF5+mJnHa+j nSrz7Pe4pOQNpIz9nD2+655WaV4HANzBkuNptyv4= Authentication-Results: mxback19o.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Original-Received: by sas1-5ebd8269dbc4.qloud-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id ixeBKtmyFm-1UV8SVij; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:01:31 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) X-Face: -P+89ASh_wrs;AUGm`!l[}/o-lyK}5W.gq\fkJ{#d6Gu,hWrZNz::iMm5PJb} __A96]-LUrl)X=uF=V|\3-\9/sXvBs/H In-Reply-To: (Robert Pluim's message of "Tue, 28 Jan 2020 13:01:59 +0100") Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAA8AAAAPCAYAAAA71pVKAAAABmJLR0QA/wD/AP+gvaeTAAAA aklEQVQokaXSMQoCQRAEwFoDH6Om3od8myDqgeCn/MIFZ5uJhjs7MMEEBU0zLSzY6p9bK+I3DsIS 0rkXqOA17Kr4+g3fidewr+L5t7VNZ8vnEXz6uwqFTSP4OYITjiP4AdXfDqYWXgUM9w9BRfavym8k WAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a02:6b8:0:801:2::109 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:244699 Archived-At: >>>>> Robert Pluim writes: >>>>> On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 11:49:46 +0000, Colin Baxter = said: >>> It=CA=BCs better than the alternative, which is libXft, which is >>> unmaintained and causes crashes. Colin> Ok, so be it. Colin> I still think this change, as it stands, is going to catch Colin> out a fair number of users. We will see. > Why? Xft and Cairo should have the same font support, apart from > bitmap fonts. Only people who've messed with font-backend might > have issues, and there should be not be too many of those. I was thinking of a rather more mundane reason. For example, although Debian 9.11 has the right version of the harfbuzz dev library, Debian 8.11 doesn't. To me, Debian 8.11 does seem that old. Best wishes,