From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9248: 23.2; Welcome screen Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 00:11:57 +0100 Message-ID: <8736au9uiq.fsf@stefankangas.se> References: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87a76l1wen.fsf@marxist.se> <87tv4tbfoz.fsf@gmail.com> <871rrxxfea.fsf@marxist.se> <87o8uztl0p.fsf@marxist.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="18090"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: 9248@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 29 00:13:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1j7ooh-0004dC-9V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=g5ZDAt7RIqMEZ6zd6ZKfS1JMzOlh0QuvPPV1BTLEfQo=; b=R5IReseYX7ap6E+A41jjD+Zx7d Kzike9Q2fEsxIEztxeV7u9ujj9HqCKOzYbN4/lP8Cxus0+V3qtT9eZprrsJS0GL13THeGSi0kFu0D 63P7+u5oxuLSWaGdpB400PuUBCj20FSsjxQMEn+Kz/tOZ1xPVKuoXEtaFfikd+9M0YHs55rMEIVbJ B5hZRTGcfWMhbiuD79iSs1y/zoxMVhkSCOqYzayTwLpiKfvtFSoZBHh6AUEicWU3ORVGFrVmsIdI1 PSYkoLDePW8AtHtLn6W7HfuuyVZcgmVITmezjo0l/D2An2b23tUvfQKhrtvVN1epwoygg35XglDTD pGlnxs2w==; Original-Received: from h-4-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:34684 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1j7onX-000il2-5b; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 18:11:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87o8uztl0p.fsf@marxist.se> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 19 Jan 2020 18:26:46 +0100") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:176627 Archived-At: tags 9248 + notabug wontfix close 9248 thanks Stefan Kangas writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> > There is very important political information on that screen about >> > user freedom, GNU and the FSF. Yes. But this way of showing it to >> > users is too intrusive. We win the fight against proprietary software >> > also by providing the best possible user experience. >> >> We don't win anything for our cause if the users of our software >> don't know what the cause is. >> >> It used to be that people could easily use Emacs for years and >> never have the faintest idea what we are fighting for. Emacs >> displayed this information only in circumstances which they never saw. >> When I discovered that, I changed it to present that information in >> more circumstances, so that all users would see it. >> >> If it is slightly annoying to see this information when you already >> know it, consider that that is a rather small sacrifice to make for >> the cause of freedom. > > Those are some good points. I think you convinced me that there is no > need to change this, although my preferences are slighly different. > > Given the lack of support from other Emacs developers to change this > default, I think it's unlikely to ever happen. Therefore, it would > probably make the most sense to close this bug as wontfix/notabug. No further comments within 6 weeks, so I'm closing this bug now. Best regards, Stefan Kangas