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* Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers
@ 2020-04-27 17:50 ndame
  2020-04-27 18:07 ` Arthur Miller
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 605+ messages in thread
From: ndame @ 2020-04-27 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Emacs developers


> The article is here:
>
> https://download.blender.org/documentation/pdf/LXF204.feat_3d.5cjt.pdf

That's not it, google found a version, some excerpts:

"Blender developers – would defend the software’s defiantly idiosyncratic UI on the grounds that ‘different doesn’t always mean worse’. Blender could do everything that other 3D packages could, they argued, and given a little time, it was possible to adapt your old working methods to a new combination of icons, keyboard shortcuts and menu commands. But for artists working in visual effects or game development – notoriously high-pressure industries, particularly when deadlines are looming – time is at a premium. Many people who might otherwise have loved Blender got no further than its splash screen"

...

"Others struck at the heart of Blender veterans’ sense of identity and even their muscle memory. In almost every other 3D application, you leftclick to select things. In Blender, prior to 2.80, you rightclicked by default. Supporters argued that it made for a faster, more precise workflow – but it was also alien to artists coming to Blender from other software."

...


https://www.pressreader.com/australia/linux-format/20191217/281745566267591



There are obvious similarities with Emacs' current situation.



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* Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers
@ 2020-04-21 15:27 ndame
  2020-04-22  3:14 ` Richard Stallman
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 605+ messages in thread
From: ndame @ 2020-04-21 15:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Emacs developers

> > We should prioritize existing users over hypothetical users that don't
> > even exist yet.

> And then, another 20 years pass, the current users get too old/change careers/retire/etc, and Emacs's userbase shrinks even more.

True, that's why some solution is needed which makes emacs more accessible
for new users who wants to try emacs.

The solution mentioned earlier in the thread can work well: Emacs defaults
stay Emacs-like to satisfy the veterans, but if a new user downloads
emacs and starts it without a config file then an optional initial config is
prominently offered which can ease the transition for new users, make emacs
less alien, more similar to existing systems.



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* Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers
@ 2020-04-20  6:22 ndame
  2020-04-20 10:08 ` Po Lu
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 605+ messages in thread
From: ndame @ 2020-04-20  6:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Emacs developers

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> It is not that they are lazy, just like people who use a machine to do their
> laundry instead of doing it by hand, they use tools that have been developed
> without the historical constraints of Emacs.

The majority of developers don't like to mold their editor so much, like
hardcore emacs users mold emacs.

They may change the colors, the fonts, maybe some keybindings, but
that's it. They want an editor which looks pleasant and does most
things out of the box without additional tinkering.

VSCode does this well. It provides a great out of box experience, most
things work out of the box, or just a plugin install away. In case of
LSP it may also download and install an LSP server, not just a client.

Most developers want an experience like this where everything works
with minimal tinkering.

I don't think it's realistic for Emacs to compete with that. There are
the legal issues, for example, which I assume prevent installing
Non-GNU binaries from the net and not all LSP servers have GNU license
AFAIK.

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* "Why is emacs so square?"
@ 2020-04-14 15:06 ndame
  2020-04-15  3:00 ` Richard Stallman
                   ` (3 more replies)
  0 siblings, 4 replies; 605+ messages in thread
From: ndame @ 2020-04-14 15:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel@gnu.org

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A user on reddit asked this once and he was not wrong, because
emacs does seem blocky compared to modern designs, which often employs
rounded corners, e.g for buttons:

https://www.webdesignerwall.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/button-preview.jpg

It could improve the square apperance if, for example, emacs provided some text
properties to specify rounded corners with custom radius for background colors.

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2020-04-27 19:13                                             ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-27 19:32                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-28  2:49                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
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2020-04-28  9:49                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2020-04-28 12:32                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-28 13:08                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
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2020-04-27 18:48                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-27 19:32                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-27 21:29                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-28  6:36                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-28  7:59                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-28 13:20                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-28 18:28                                                     ` chad
2020-04-28 23:14                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-29  3:28                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-27 18:49                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-27 20:02                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-27 20:35                                           ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-28 12:12                                         ` Nicolas Petton
2020-04-28 12:34                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-10 19:22                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
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2020-05-12  0:03                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
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2020-04-20  2:19                             ` "Why is emacs so square?" Richard Stallman
2020-04-20  3:07                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-20  5:07                                 ` Bob Newell
2020-04-20 13:49                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-15 19:27                                   ` Steinar Bang
2020-06-04  3:26                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-04  9:16                                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-06-04 21:50                                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-05 16:37                                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-06-06 23:30                                             ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-07  0:33                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-06-07 10:16                                                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-06-07  3:53                                               ` Drew Adams
2020-06-07  7:51                                               ` Yuri Khan
2020-06-07  9:10                                                 ` Yuri Khan
2020-06-08  3:31                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-07 11:59                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-07 15:32                                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-06-07 22:31                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-07 18:19                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-07 18:26                                                 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-07 22:31                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-07 23:24                                                   ` andres.ramirez
2020-06-07 23:24                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
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2020-06-10 21:55                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-07-11  9:50                                                   ` Ergus
2020-07-12  0:08                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-05  3:12                                         ` "Why is emacs so square?" Richard Stallman
2020-06-05 10:48                                           ` Marcin Borkowski
2020-06-06  3:57                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-06 13:44                                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-06-07  3:37                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-07 14:52                                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-06-05 13:01                                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-06-05 14:00                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-05 14:57                                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-06-05 15:10                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-05 16:15                                                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-06-05 17:32                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-06 12:49                                                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-06-06  3:56                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-06  6:55                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-05 15:27                                           ` Bob Newell
2020-06-05 21:54                                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-06-06  4:07                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-06  6:35                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-07  8:03                                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-06-07 14:21                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-07 21:57                                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-06-07 22:03                                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-06-08  5:41                                                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-06-08  3:31                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-21  1:51                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-21  7:01                                   ` Joost Kremers
2020-04-22  3:17                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22  9:12                                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-22 14:25                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-23  2:36                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-23  8:41                                             ` Joost Kremers
2020-04-23 15:02                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24  6:36                                                 ` Joost Kremers
2020-04-24 10:14                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 10:28                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-24 11:14                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 19:41                                                         ` Steinar Bang
2020-04-24 10:36                                                     ` Joost Kremers
2020-04-24 11:17                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-17  3:36                                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-06-17  3:46                                                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-24  2:37                                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-24  8:47                                                 ` Joost Kremers
2020-04-24  9:59                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 11:25                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-25  3:35                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-23 14:43                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24  2:43                                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-24 10:03                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 11:34                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-24 12:09                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 12:23                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-24 12:32                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24 12:39                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-23 12:33                                           ` Po Lu
2020-04-23  2:32                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-20  4:48                               ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  6:32                         ` 조성빈
2020-04-19  6:39                           ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  6:41                             ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  7:04                             ` 조성빈
2020-04-19  7:13                               ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  7:45                                 ` 조성빈
2020-04-19  7:55                                   ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  7:59                                     ` ndame
2020-04-19  8:14                                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  8:16                                         ` ndame
2020-04-19 12:07                                     ` 조성빈
2020-04-19 12:16                                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-20  2:19                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-20  4:30                                           ` Po Lu
2020-04-21  1:50                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-21  2:11                                               ` Po Lu
2020-04-22  3:19                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22  4:36                                                   ` Po Lu
2020-04-22 17:00                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-23 12:27                                                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-23 15:23                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-26  4:13                                                           ` Po Lu
2020-04-24  2:34                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-24  2:50                                                       ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-04-24  9:13                                                       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-04-25  3:36                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-25  6:46                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-26  3:24                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-24  9:55                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-19  6:52                         ` ndame
2020-04-19 13:29                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-19  2:18               ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-19  2:33                 ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  3:05                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-19  3:38                     ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  4:55                   ` ndame
2020-04-19  6:14                     ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers (was: "Why is emacs so square?") Po Lu
2020-04-19  6:54                       ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-04-19  7:22                         ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Po Lu
2020-04-19  8:05                       ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers (was: "Why is emacs so square?") 조성빈
2020-04-19  8:12                         ` ndame
2020-04-19  8:21                           ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Po Lu
2020-04-19  8:25                             ` ndame
2020-04-19  9:30                               ` Po Lu
2020-04-19 22:44                               ` Sébastien Gendre
2020-04-20  0:36                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-20  3:32                                   ` Tim Cross
2020-04-20  9:54                                     ` Po Lu
2020-04-20 13:50                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-21  8:52                                         ` Po Lu
2020-04-21 13:57                                         ` Simen Heggestøyl
2020-04-21 15:36                                           ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-22  3:14                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22  4:33                                             ` Po Lu
2020-04-23  6:33                                               ` Ahmed Khanzada
2020-04-23 10:14                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-23 14:55                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-23 17:07                                                   ` Why are so many great packages not trying to get included in GNU Emacs? WAS: " Stefan Kangas
2020-04-23 23:45                                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-24  0:51                                                       ` chad
2020-04-24  2:02                                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-24  9:02                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-24  5:26                                                     ` Po Lu
2020-04-25 15:31                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-26 11:57                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-26 12:17                                                         ` Stephen Berman
2020-04-26 12:52                                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-06-13 11:59                                                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 12:50                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-13 13:41                                                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 14:16                                                         ` Alan Third
2020-06-13 14:19                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-13 14:23                                                             ` Alan Third
2020-06-13 14:33                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-13 14:57                                                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 15:02                                                                 ` Alan Third
2020-06-13 15:08                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-13 15:05                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-06-13 15:10                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-13 15:18                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2020-06-14 22:11                                                                       ` git-send-email (was: Why are so many great packages not trying to get included in GNU Emacs?) Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-06-15  2:37                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-15  6:59                                                                           ` git-send-email Andreas Schwab
2020-06-15  8:12                                                                             ` git-send-email Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-15  9:10                                                                               ` git-send-email Andreas Schwab
2020-06-15 13:22                                                                                 ` git-send-email Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-06-15 14:07                                                                                   ` git-send-email Andreas Schwab
2020-06-15 14:15                                                                                     ` git-send-email Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-06-15 14:16                                                                                       ` git-send-email Andreas Schwab
2020-06-15 14:25                                                                                         ` git-send-email Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-06-15  8:23                                                                           ` git-send-email Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-06-15 14:42                                                                             ` git-send-email Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-15 15:38                                                                               ` git-send-email Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-06-15 17:12                                                                                 ` git-send-email Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-15 17:59                                                                                   ` git-send-email Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-06-15 18:08                                                                                     ` git-send-email Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-15 18:51                                                                                       ` git-send-email Paul Eggert
2020-06-15 18:59                                                                                         ` git-send-email Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-15 19:06                                                                                           ` git-send-email Paul Eggert
2020-06-22 10:17                                                                                       ` git-send-email Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-06-13 14:35                                                       ` Why are so many great packages not trying to get included in GNU Emacs? WAS: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-13 19:23                                                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 19:31                                                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-13 20:24                                                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 20:30                                                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-13 20:52                                                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 21:00                                                                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 21:24                                                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-13 19:33                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-13 22:09                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-13 23:00                                                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 23:23                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-14 10:00                                                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-13 19:38                                                         ` João Távora
2020-06-13 20:30                                                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-14 10:41                                                             ` João Távora
2020-06-18 17:49                                                               ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-06-18 22:34                                                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-19 11:48                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-20 13:07                                                                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-20 14:02                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-20 15:41                                                                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-20 16:10                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-20 18:04                                                                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-20 18:43                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-20 21:31                                                                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-20 22:25                                                                                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-21  2:35                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-21  5:08                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-21  8:58                                                                                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-21  9:00                                                                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-21  1:37                                                                                   ` Yuan Fu
2020-06-21 13:49                                                                                   ` João Távora
2020-06-21 15:36                                                                                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-20 20:57                                                                               ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-06-20 21:35                                                                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-17  3:58                                                       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-06-17  8:58                                                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-04-20  4:53                                 ` Po Lu
2020-04-20  6:08                                   ` 조성빈
2020-04-20  9:53                                     ` Po Lu
2020-04-20 13:07                                       ` 조성빈
2020-04-20 15:32                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-21  2:06                                         ` Po Lu
2020-04-21  2:17                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-21  4:42                                             ` Po Lu
2020-04-21 13:55                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22  3:14                                                 ` How to poll the users Richard Stallman
2020-04-24  4:31                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-25  3:37                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-25  4:09                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-25 15:35                                                         ` Drew Adams
2020-04-25 15:44                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-25 16:15                                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-25 16:46                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26 15:25                                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-26 16:22                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-27  2:18                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-25 16:20                                                             ` Drew Adams
2020-04-25 16:29                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-25 16:54                                                             ` Drew Adams
2020-04-25 16:57                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-25 17:16                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-25 15:36                                                         ` Drew Adams
2020-04-26  3:25                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-26 14:21                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26  3:25                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-26 13:23                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-27  2:19                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-27  2:30                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26 16:56                                                           ` Drew Adams
2020-04-26 17:27                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26 17:44                                                               ` Drew Adams
2020-04-26 18:35                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-27  2:22                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-27  2:22                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-27  2:42                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-27  2:22                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-28  2:44                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-28  3:12                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-27  2:22                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-27  3:18                                                               ` Drew Adams
2020-04-28  3:06                                                                 ` Sacha Chua
2020-04-22  4:41                                                 ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Po Lu
2020-04-22  8:13                                                   ` Sergey Organov
2020-04-22  3:19                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22 11:33                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23  7:04                                             ` Ahmed Khanzada
2020-04-23 14:20                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23 14:56                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-23 15:32                                                 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-27 16:09                                                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-27 16:43                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-20 14:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-21 12:43                                   ` Sébastien Gendre
2020-04-21 14:38                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22  1:35                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22  3:26                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-30  7:49                                           ` "Themes" shipping configuration - an unusual convention Stefan Kangas
2020-04-30 12:21                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-30 14:48                                             ` Drew Adams
2020-06-13 16:30                                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-04-22 13:22                                         ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 17:46                                           ` chad
2020-04-22 22:52                                             ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-23  0:12                                               ` chad
2020-04-23  0:49                                                 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-22 17:55                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-19 13:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-19 19:14                               ` Drew Adams
2020-04-19 22:50                               ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  8:16                         ` Po Lu
2020-04-19 23:50                   ` "Why is emacs so square?" Stefan Kangas
2020-04-19  2:19             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-16 15:42           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-16 16:33             ` Drew Adams
2020-04-19  2:19             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-27 17:50 Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers ndame
2020-04-27 18:07 ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-28  0:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30  2:26 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-30  5:58   ` ndame
2020-05-02  2:21     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 15:52       ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 15:59         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 17:00           ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 18:20             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 18:55               ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-04  3:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-05 14:08                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-06  4:46                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-06 18:14                       ` Nikita Mogilevsky
2020-05-07  2:48                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 16:25         ` ndame
2020-05-02 19:04         ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 19:36           ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 20:05             ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 21:16               ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 22:16                 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03  3:42         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-05 13:58           ` Arthur Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-04-21 15:27 ndame
2020-04-22  3:14 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-20  6:22 ndame
2020-04-20 10:08 ` Po Lu
2020-04-21  1:50   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-21  2:09     ` Po Lu
2020-04-21  8:44       ` Theodor Thornhill
2020-04-22  4:30         ` Po Lu
2020-04-22  7:01           ` Theodor Thornhill
2020-04-23  3:10             ` Po Lu
2020-04-22 16:45           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-22 17:16             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23  3:11             ` Po Lu
2020-04-23 12:55               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-24  5:24                 ` Po Lu
2020-04-26 18:40             ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-27  4:00               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-24  2:34           ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-24  2:39             ` 조성빈
2020-04-24  2:42               ` 조성빈
2020-04-24  7:33               ` Theodor Thornhill
2020-04-25  3:30               ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-25  3:32                 ` 조성빈
2020-04-26  3:19                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-26 14:32                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26 15:14                       ` tomas
2020-04-26 16:32                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26 16:36                           ` tomas
2020-04-21  2:10     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-21  3:45       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-21  4:44         ` chad
2020-04-22  3:19       ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22  3:31         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-14 15:06 "Why is emacs so square?" ndame
2020-04-15  3:00 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-15  4:33   ` ndame
2020-04-15  4:39   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-15  4:54     ` ndame
2020-04-15  4:56     ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2020-04-16  2:30     ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-16  5:28       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 16:27         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-16 18:26           ` Marcin Borkowski
2020-04-16 18:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 18:54             ` Drew Adams
2020-04-16 17:32         ` Bob Newell
2020-05-14  2:32         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-14 15:53           ` Drew Adams
2020-04-16  5:02     ` Jorge Javier Araya Navarro
2020-04-16 21:31     ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-15  6:27   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-15 14:17     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-15 14:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-15 16:34         ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-04-16 10:14           ` Alex Bennée
2020-04-16 10:22             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 16:26               ` Closing displays GTK+ bug (was: "Why is emacs so square?") Ulrich Mueller
2020-04-16 16:36                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17  2:25                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-17  9:20                     ` Closing displays GTK+ bug Ulrich Mueller
2020-04-18  2:07                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-16 20:36                 ` Log out hanging after X-forwarded emacsclient [Was: Closing displays GTK+ bug] Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-04-16 21:57                   ` James Cloos
2020-04-17 16:06                     ` Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-04-18  9:45                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-18 17:20                         ` Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-04-19 13:13                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-10 10:11                   ` Log out hanging after X-forwarded emacsclient Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-05-12  6:57                     ` long-standing GTK bug (was: Log out hanging after X-forwarded emacsclient) andres.ramirez
2020-05-12  7:57                       ` long-standing GTK bug Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-05-17 11:40                         ` Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-05-17 22:05                           ` Adam Porter
2020-06-09  2:37                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-09 14:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-10  0:53                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-10 14:33                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-08 11:51                                   ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-05-09 10:27                                     ` Robert Pluim
2021-05-09 15:11                                       ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-05-10  9:16                                         ` Robert Pluim
2021-05-10 10:00                                           ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-05-10 12:50                                             ` Robert Pluim
2021-05-10 13:10                                               ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-05-10 14:13                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-05-10 14:40                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-10 14:45                                                     ` Robert Pluim
2021-05-10 15:00                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-11  9:09                                                         ` Robert Pluim
2021-05-10  2:23                                     ` 황병희
2022-03-01 21:23                           ` Adam Sjøgren
2022-03-02 14:12                             ` Po Lu
2022-03-03  6:55                               ` Madhu
2022-03-03  7:21                                 ` Po Lu
2022-03-03  9:43                                   ` Madhu
2022-03-03 10:11                                     ` Po Lu
2022-03-03 12:06                                       ` Madhu
2022-03-03 13:05                                         ` Po Lu
2022-03-03 15:31                                           ` Madhu
2022-03-03 13:22                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-03-03 13:30                                           ` Po Lu
2022-03-04 15:21                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2024-04-09  5:07                   ` Log out hanging after X-forwarded emacsclient Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-04-16 23:23               ` "Why is emacs so square?" chad
2020-04-18  2:03                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-18  7:06                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-20 22:14                   ` chad
2020-04-21  8:43                     ` Po Lu
2020-04-21  8:44                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-15 17:15         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-15 20:08           ` chad
2020-04-15 20:44             ` ndame
2020-04-16  5:06               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16  6:00                 ` ndame
2020-04-16 14:26                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 15:52                     ` ndame
2020-04-16 16:25                       ` ndame
2020-04-17  2:25                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-16 19:14                     ` ndame
2020-04-16 19:26                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 19:33                         ` ndame
2020-04-16 20:04                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-16 20:30                           ` ndame
2020-04-17  7:06                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17  7:28                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-17 10:00                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-21 23:54                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 13:21                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 14:05                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-22 14:29                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 15:17                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-24  3:25                                             ` message-mode toolbars, was: " Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30  4:27                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-04-30 18:26                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 18:44                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-30 23:57                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-01  6:18                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-30 22:16                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-04-30 22:44                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-11  1:37                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 16:14                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 16:55                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 17:04                                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-22 17:06                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 17:19                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 17:34                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 18:09                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 18:07                                                   ` chad
2020-04-22 18:24                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 18:45                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23  9:42                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-23 15:04                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-23 21:46                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23 20:36                                                   ` Alan Third
2020-04-23 17:10                                               ` Juan José García-Ripoll
2020-04-22 17:32                                             ` chad
2020-04-22 16:16                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 16:22                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 16:29                                             ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-22 18:02                                               ` Iñigo Serna
2020-04-22 18:05                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-23 12:36                                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-17  7:36                               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-17  9:51                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17  8:50                               ` ndame
2020-04-17  9:59                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 16:08                                   ` ndame
2020-04-18  2:04                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-18  9:53                                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-18 16:20                                         ` ndame
2020-04-19  6:02                                           ` Improving icons shipped with Emacs (was: "Why is emacs so square?") Po Lu
2020-04-19  6:52                                             ` Improving icons shipped with Emacs Po Lu
2020-04-19  7:04                                             ` Improving icons shipped with Emacs (was: "Why is emacs so square?") ndame
2020-04-19  7:06                                               ` Improving icons shipped with Emacs Po Lu
2020-04-19  7:14                                                 ` ndame
2020-04-19  7:20                                                   ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  7:56                                                     ` ndame
2020-04-19  7:58                                                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  2:20                                         ` "Why is emacs so square?" Richard Stallman
2020-04-19  2:33                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-19 13:20                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-20  2:18                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-20 14:55                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-21  1:52                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-21  4:40                                                   ` ndame
2020-04-22  3:17                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-18  2:04                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-15 22:11       ` Bob Newell
2020-04-15  3:35 ` Bob Newell
2020-04-15  3:44   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-15  6:28   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-15 13:57     ` Tim Cross
2020-04-15 14:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 17:03         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-16 17:22           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 18:11             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-16 18:21               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 19:51                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-16 19:52                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17  7:09                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 13:43                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-17 14:13                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 14:46                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 15:27                         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 15:38                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 15:52                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 17:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 17:40                                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 17:45                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 17:57                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 18:36                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 18:51                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 19:31                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 20:14                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-17 20:57                                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-15 14:11       ` Andreas Schwab
2020-04-15  4:14 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2020-04-15 22:09 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber

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