From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#44141: 26.3; doc of `default-boundp' and "void" variable values Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2020 14:20:15 +0100 Message-ID: <87360f5d68.fsf@gnus.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24221"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 44141@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 09 14:21:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kmzP8-00069j-Bu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 14:21:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44532 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kmzP7-0005Ji-ER for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 08:21:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55866) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kmzOw-0005J5-8G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 08:21:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49732) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kmzOw-0005bg-0M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 08:21:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kmzOv-0004fj-SB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 08:21:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2020 13:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 44141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44141.160752002917884 (code B ref 44141); Wed, 09 Dec 2020 13:21:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 44141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2020 13:20:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33042 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kmzOP-0004eO-7x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 08:20:29 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:37434) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kmzON-0004e8-FA for 44141@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 08:20:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=AnlbTr2Q6VT2O0PKnHxguZZioirZVd6FqyvF5NK2YwE=; b=N6JuPIpi4OqIl6f2nboqwlr9W4 UBLZvL27CZ0p0GiycHkXZ+hQRLj6IxNVhDKIrIyAReawC7CH9GTgz055b3E5Z6q3+07XCzM1DkWdN pzdeoAI3UssVLuhW3Gthe1pAcX2LXl7MYL0vmQu3Dlqn6UPjgKLEvcpP+RmDKMkn7v9A=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kmzOC-0001OE-Vg; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 14:20:20 +0100 X-Now-Playing: CocoRosie's _Put the Shine On_: "Ruby Red" In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:46:06 -0700 (PDT)") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:195493 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > The doc of `default-boundp' could be improved by saying explicitly what > it means for a symbol's default value to be "void". This is not done > anywhere, AFAICT - "void" is undefined. And for Lisp, especially, > there's some risk of confusion with the value `nil'. > > 1. The Elisp manual is pretty good on `default-boundp', but saying > something about what "void" means would help. I think "void" should be clear enough for somebody reading the lispref manual. > 2. The doc string is not so helpful - you really need to read the short > paragraph in the manual to understand it, I think. Consider beefing up > the doc string with something like what is said in the manual - it's > short and explanatory. Yeah, the doc string is somewhat incomprehensible. I've now clarified in Emacs 28. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no