From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Contradictiory directions Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:04:37 +0100 Message-ID: <8735mumgyy.fsf@gnus.org> References: <20211211035614.15517.53830@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <8735mz4o70.fsf@yahoo.com> <83k0gbr0dm.fsf@gnu.org> <87y24r33bn.fsf@yahoo.com> <87ilvu1ldh.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a6h5tap6.fsf@gnus.org> <87tufbu7jg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87y24nr6nk.fsf@gnus.org> <87lf0ntz0t.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnk6mjlm.fsf@gnus.org> <877dc6tjz0.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <87k0g6mivu.fsf@gnus.org> <87y24ms4jj.fsf@yahoo.com> <87fsqumi16.fsf@gnus.org> <87tufas40e.fsf@yahoo.com> <877dc6mhjc.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmpys3gv.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4144"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard Stallman , stefankangas@gmail.com To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 15 09:27:08 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mxPcy-0000rB-1U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:27:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51456 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxPcw-0007Q0-Jz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 03:27:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55730) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxPHP-0003Vi-5k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 03:04:54 -0500 Original-Received: from [2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2] (port=39766 helo=quimby.gnus.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxPHL-00044h-6w; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 03:04:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Mz1jphvZ4vLIMz/nCLfFRIAQRkVIx5LCmV5XNad22Yg=; b=FO/BZerQD3L81IVtsyEfz9G50M mIF8Xnu5Tnm8n6wU4h+ZI/og6t0kIxRZvqarltAe+ZkR+3gD4k0M9JavlShKRR3ue89VUHpOoHruQ YG187kNqSqU8Rz+Dvs3ERKcZj0YVS1qZb8M/3izwNm2IVUGpn8xAZ5QvtzWxB/BdNmaQ=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mxPHC-00033M-HK; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:04:41 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAGFBMVEUtKjA6Qk5MWFwm HyO1l1x9jZtPcpL///9nLqjFAAAAAWJLR0QHFmGI6wAAAAd0SU1FB+UMDwgBH43OsMoAAAGxSURB VDjLZZM9bsMwDIVFCehscvAsctCcIDco2iPYcy2guv8RSuonkVLGQGx95nskJTvXAxBxc0CiwUyb rYXHzf4QDVdg77jgbL2xmofIhPXp8QgdALC02BrRX3eSL4tP4foYhs0dG/hm7OBhKahSFRxHHMXW 97XGBr4/oXloioVnvZoHNClVum/mzDSDYKCWZb01gM+M2wqAJm81EcEGHLg5vE6pg/fgbQJhAkNq lPvcFKYGSFbg2Tfg1wyQza99zKwFum1aDTdE6mTthFAm8ELwVGJRKVgtqB4TWjxUq5QhtQCg8/c8 s2W5tWD/e5zHka3cFVAqRznOkt9GAkVNLN7BXrDkYtcCdudLTFcqomwGHxuUa88VlAVEBR/Z9Fbg f1wqPuM/AGzuGeUJttF3BZIxleTsS2DmWEH0FUg6d1XNrwzRenW0jjI4lbu6x50SFhYbkgokJWPC KFcHzjtrZrSJdKVI9fOTmlHiMMmJvQGIdvR7CprWfhkIngxIS2Hdcdqz1/ugLYlqSU3RSRNpobEd GNRNyyVHvYmaoqOKo5JqnwEJiXEGJHU3dTZACAP8AcQ+cWvz2CwmAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0 ZQAyMDIxLTEyLTE1VDA4OjAxOjMxKzAwOjAwaqGd1AAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMS0x Mi0xNVQwODowMTozMSswMDowMBv8JWgAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Sade's _Promise_: "The Sweetest Taboo" In-Reply-To: <87pmpys3gv.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Wed, 15 Dec 2021 15:59:44 +0800") X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -35 X-Spam_score: -3.6 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:281990 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > We did not gain any type of dynamic module loading feature until Emacs > 25. I'm not talking about dynamic Emacs modules. I'm talking about basic libraries. We can't check whether whatever libraries we're loading, whether it's libc.so or libsrvg.so or whatever, aren't proprietary variations on the libraries we're expecting. > So it seems to be terminology specific to mh-e, with no reason to > warrant its adoption throughout Emacs. The reason is that the world has moved on to the new terms. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no