From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Motif support Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 11:38:37 +0100 Message-ID: <8735mno91u.fsf@gnus.org> References: <878rwhbb91.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <878rwhbb91.fsf@yahoo.com> <83ee699irm.fsf@gnu.org> <87r1a99icp.fsf@yahoo.com> <835yrl9gob.fsf@gnu.org> <8735mozy5c.fsf@gnus.org> <87czlrvbf5.fsf@gmail.com> <871r27pop1.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee671s9o.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27751"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Robert Pluim , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 20 18:51:21 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mzMoi-00071L-Hj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 18:51:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38390 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzMoh-0000jy-EJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:51:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43380) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzLHH-0007hG-Ez for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 11:12:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2] (port=44182 helo=quimby.gnus.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzLHE-0004Rw-QA; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 11:12:43 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Cet2NZjdDN7ILnsQ2Y5wRlLbXlv5ZFy1HC5ls+eFt9w=; b=aOTASW5ADXd2QJo0mIfgxx0hM7 z01J70xMp5SoSJoaDjk1nmF/D80FGv80GBQkVrpW4bJawjEXoPeOMfEcB5gsjk4MKq+2tyy54QGaK bTE5dll0VvOz99A/jHEQ340UiBjFQVpZ83Yf6ssTzkXYAPMHgYX2P31qvT43MWD8dEeI=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mzG3z-0003wc-6l; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 11:38:44 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAACVBMVEWOoVlMZDn///9k 6/PIAAAAAWJLR0QCZgt8ZAAAAAd0SU1FB+UMFAkxCrmP2HsAAAFESURBVCjPRVFBDuQwCDNSuKdS +A+RmjuR4P9fWdMd7ebSOAZsXIBnYMx4+yaJwFCYF1xLHJgVFkBV34HFqvhAQJdpg5KA8N1gBLvu hChbiE7VADzZTxJKPpsi5lTJU2BJ1fW20c+ZJBKmG/1uFbRDvUFRspcjEl7q99btVpSr63cl6DW0 fiBi/gf3vp/L5iGie44pY9LBddHRJw73L31YMrjsYAZ7TpGXlYKzG4BgDepsVfEnpy+cDorlPInn S7LjqPjikr+aDHH/qrT4fhw/N9zH//UUZt7AuxSHJcnUOhjoFrIJPQd4juEpH0+q49HLELGYVFXr VI6VztC6hy0fEebajE2qs06Qiz1ZVLj0PXzFsqAx/tNB49PcMKzLqMjkocYPg5DqZV6UTs4+QiOL FsM5zSlEvz73sAeRjEq5txqTnbA/cGxYvOKgEBwAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEtMTIt MjBUMDk6NDk6MTArMDA6MDDZqP18AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTEyLTIwVDA5OjQ5 OjEwKzAwOjAwqPVFwAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: James Yorkston & The Athletes 's _Strange Folk_: "Heron" In-Reply-To: <87ee671s9o.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Mon, 20 Dec 2021 18:32:03 +0800") X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -35 X-Spam_score: -3.6 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282523 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > As I said, Motif is the least of the problems here. Yes, it's not a lot of code, and that points towards keeping it. But on the other hand, simplification is simplification. > I'd say the toolkit responsible for 90% of the mess we have in xterm.c > is GTK, of which 70% is the responsibility of GTK 3. > > The PGTK code unfortunately suffers from the same problem, as GTK isn't > very suited to software like Emacs. I don't think we can avoid supporting GTK, though, so it's something we necessarily have to live with. The same isn't the case with Motif. > (BTW, is everything under gnu.org down? Anyone know why that might be > so? Thanks.) Yup; it's totally down -- no mail to @gnu.org/@fsf.org is being delivered now. (Except to debbugs.gnu.org, but last time this happened, that server accepted mail and then discarded it, so I'll probably have to resend all the bug-related mail I've been doing today. *sigh*) https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/gnu.org.html and the status page isn't saying anything, https://hostux.social/@fsfstatus -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no