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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284187 Archived-At: >>>>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 19:47:55 +0200, Eli Zaretskii said: >> From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez >> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 18:35:19 +0100 >> Cc: Robert Pluim , Drew Adams , >> emacs-devel , Stefan Kangas >> >> If something is long-standing, I'd rather have it in init.el and leave custom.el for "experiments". >> Wouldn't that make interacting with emacs more dynamic/attractive to new users? Eli> Robert's and mine concern in this case is about old users who have Eli> their customizations written to .emacs/init.el. We shouldn't move the Eli> customizations behind their backs. Exactly. Although we could offer a migration command (and when I say 'offer', I mean 'describe in NEWS', not 'prompt when they run Emacs'). Robert --