compile on MacOS, Install and config information is a bit confusing

compile on MacOS, Install and config information is a bit confusing

[Uwe Brauer]

Hi 

Reading the INSTALL file in the nexstep directory I find


,----
|   ./configure --with-ns
`----

However when I run this option, I obtain a warning 
(I have seen in GNU/Linux)

,----
| WARNING: This configuration installs a 'movemail' program
| 
| that does not retrieve POP3 email.  By default, Emacs 25 and earlier
| 
| installed a 'movemail' program that retrieved POP3 email via only
| 
| insecure channels, a practice that is no longer recommended but that
| 
| you can continue to support by using './configure --with-pop'.
| 
| configure: You might want to install GNU Mailutils
| 
| <https://mailutils.org> and use './configure --with-mailutils'.
`----

Isn't this a  bit confusing.

Uwe Brauer 


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Re: compile on MacOS, Install and config information is a bit confusing

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es>
> Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2022 08:27:09 +0200
> 
> Reading the INSTALL file in the nexstep directory I find
> 
> 
> ,----
> |   ./configure --with-ns
> `----
> 
> However when I run this option, I obtain a warning 
> (I have seen in GNU/Linux)
> 
> ,----
> | WARNING: This configuration installs a 'movemail' program
> | 
> | that does not retrieve POP3 email.  By default, Emacs 25 and earlier
> | 
> | installed a 'movemail' program that retrieved POP3 email via only
> | 
> | insecure channels, a practice that is no longer recommended but that
> | 
> | you can continue to support by using './configure --with-pop'.
> | 
> | configure: You might want to install GNU Mailutils
> | 
> | <https://mailutils.org> and use './configure --with-mailutils'.
> `----
> 
> Isn't this a  bit confusing.

Why is it confusing?  What is unclear about that warning?

Re: compile on MacOS, Install and config information is a bit confusing

[Uwe Brauer]

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>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es>
>> Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2022 08:27:09 +0200
>> 
>> Reading the INSTALL file in the nexstep directory I find
>> 
>> 
>> ,----
>> |   ./configure --with-ns
>> `----
>> 
>> However when I run this option, I obtain a warning 
>> (I have seen in GNU/Linux)
>> 
>> ,----
>> | WARNING: This configuration installs a 'movemail' program
>> | 
>> | that does not retrieve POP3 email.  By default, Emacs 25 and earlier
>> | 
>> | installed a 'movemail' program that retrieved POP3 email via only
>> | 
>> | insecure channels, a practice that is no longer recommended but that
>> | 
>> | you can continue to support by using './configure --with-pop'.
>> | 
>> | configure: You might want to install GNU Mailutils
>> | 
>> | <https://mailutils.org> and use './configure --with-mailutils'.
>> `----
>> 
>> Isn't this a  bit confusing.

> Why is it confusing?  What is unclear about that warning?

This part is *not* confusing, what is confusing that this option is
*not* mentioned in the INSTALL file in the nextstep directory.

It is not coherent, to recommend to use 

  ./configure --with-ns

And then let a message tell you to use a different option



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I support to deliver weapons to Ukraine's military. 
I support the ban of Russia from SWIFT.
I support the EU membership of the Ukraine. 

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Re: compile on MacOS, Install and config information is a bit confusing

[Tim Cross]

Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:

> [[S/MIME Signed Part:Undecided]]
>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> From: Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es>
>>> Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2022 08:27:09 +0200
>>> 
>>> Reading the INSTALL file in the nexstep directory I find
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ,----
>>> |   ./configure --with-ns
>>> `----
>>> 
>>> However when I run this option, I obtain a warning 
>>> (I have seen in GNU/Linux)
>>> 
>>> ,----
>>> | WARNING: This configuration installs a 'movemail' program
>>> | 
>>> | that does not retrieve POP3 email.  By default, Emacs 25 and earlier
>>> | 
>>> | installed a 'movemail' program that retrieved POP3 email via only
>>> | 
>>> | insecure channels, a practice that is no longer recommended but that
>>> | 
>>> | you can continue to support by using './configure --with-pop'.
>>> | 
>>> | configure: You might want to install GNU Mailutils
>>> | 
>>> | <https://mailutils.org> and use './configure --with-mailutils'.
>>> `----
>>> 
>>> Isn't this a  bit confusing.
>
>> Why is it confusing?  What is unclear about that warning?
>
> This part is *not* confusing, what is confusing that this option is
> *not* mentioned in the INSTALL file in the nextstep directory.
>
> It is not coherent, to recommend to use 
>
>   ./configure --with-ns
>
> And then let a message tell you to use a different option

That warning has nothing to do with the --with-ns option. You see that
warning on GNU Linux as well. It is there to inform those building Emacs
that it no longer includes support for POP.

BTW I would also recommend switching from fink to homebrew. I found fink
packages were often out of date or had long standing issues which did
not seem to get resolved (this was some years back). Homebrew on the
other hand I have found to be pretty good.

Re: compile on MacOS, Install and config information is a bit confusing

[Uwe Brauer]

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> Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:


> That warning has nothing to do with the --with-ns option. You see that
> warning on GNU Linux as well. It is there to inform those building Emacs
> that it no longer includes support for POP.

Right, but then would it be good to mentioned that in the INSTALL file?

> BTW I would also recommend switching from fink to homebrew. I found fink
> packages were often out of date or had long standing issues which did
> not seem to get resolved (this was some years back). Homebrew on the
> other hand I have found to be pretty good.

Well, I started with fink because I hoped it would be closest to
debian/ubuntu and I did not feel like learning the port syntax of
macports.

The problem with homebrew is that it does not use sudo to install things
on system directories, which I consider as a design flaw.

I am aware that is has a much larger user and maintainer base, and maybe
at some time I will be forced to switch, right now till the summer I
cannot afford to even try it.

Regards

Uwe Brauer 

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I support to deliver weapons to Ukraine's military. 
I support the ban of Russia from SWIFT.
I support the EU membership of the Ukraine. 

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Re: compile on MacOS, Install and config information is a bit confusing

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es>
> Cc: Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2022 09:23:49 +0200
> 
> >> ,----
> >> | WARNING: This configuration installs a 'movemail' program
> >> | 
> >> | that does not retrieve POP3 email.  By default, Emacs 25 and earlier
> >> | 
> >> | installed a 'movemail' program that retrieved POP3 email via only
> >> | 
> >> | insecure channels, a practice that is no longer recommended but that
> >> | 
> >> | you can continue to support by using './configure --with-pop'.
> >> | 
> >> | configure: You might want to install GNU Mailutils
> >> | 
> >> | <https://mailutils.org> and use './configure --with-mailutils'.
> >> `----
> >> 
> >> Isn't this a  bit confusing.
> 
> > Why is it confusing?  What is unclear about that warning?
> 
> This part is *not* confusing, what is confusing that this option is
> *not* mentioned in the INSTALL file in the nextstep directory.
> 
> It is not coherent, to recommend to use 
> 
>   ./configure --with-ns
> 
> And then let a message tell you to use a different option

It is not a different option, it is an additional option, which is not
recommended in general and listed only for those who use 'movemail',
but cannot install GNU Mailutils.