From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Indentation with spaces Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 07:38:25 +0200 Message-ID: <8735gbu5da.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <87fskezg7s.fsf@dataswamp.org> <1nSa0QRUilv-1bDwO14iTktsVVvkGK5Z4YmCRUQy2VEl-cydxtJo6_zDbkla_RGCnybukiWdu9YZaHdqGYOj9wsZArEK2AhrHk_ubYBrBYs=@protonmail.com> <87y1y4ke0c.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24591"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:dqq8DUOOnVUs8MYGQwN5UCFVNn8= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 11 07:42:15 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nztt0-0006BU-SS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2022 07:42:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55562 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nztsz-0005xk-BS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2022 01:42:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40482) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nztpc-0005le-07 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2022 01:38:53 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:35026) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nztpT-0007g9-JK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2022 01:38:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nztpR-0002Lk-PA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2022 07:38:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137661 Archived-At: Christopher Dimech wrote: > Particularly at universities where the pressure is > completion of the work rather than the algorithms > themselves. Nope, Lisp is a POWERHOUSE in the university world, not compared to Python which is big, maybe bigger there as well, no I mean compared to the Lisp _outside_ the university world where Lisp is a ... MINIATURE power TOOL in the hands of a few, very skilled programmers. One point tho is that people that do the CS thing often think Lisp is "functional", Lisp is older than the programming paradigms and besides one can do whatever with Lisp, by all means including a style that some people will call functional ... > At very serious level, I prefer that a program pushes itself > as far as it can, even with errors, but completes. ??? Programs that have errors don't complete. > That is actually a far better design as far as languages > are concerned. Hahaha :) > The problem I see, is that many who have used python as > their first language is also their last, with some expecting > their experience should spill over to other languages. Right, that's like the problem with many carpenters these days with only ONE tool. One would think all that skill with the hammer would spill over to the knife, for example? But no and it worries me. >> Lisp is cooler, looks better and might be more powerful in >> terms of the language's expressiveness, other than those things >> (which are important, no doubt) I think Python would win most >> other Progralympic disciplines vs Lisp ... TBH! > > Python is slow Compared to C++? Why do you think that is? > and does not scale for large projects Why not? > And you cannot always split up an algorithm in situations > when doing so would result in an increase in > algorithmic complexity. :) > Universities, particularly science and mathematics > departments frustrate me too much these days. You don't say! :) -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal