From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Visuwesh Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 17:30:41 +0530 Message-ID: <8735dphkly.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87ilmlluxq.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87ilmlluxq.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h725olz1.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23891"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Po Lu , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 21 14:07:55 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oPjkA-0005xy-RV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 14:07:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41022 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oPjk9-0007eh-QL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 08:07:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51750) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oPjdV-0003MQ-C4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 08:01:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pl1-x643.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::643]:45021) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oPjdT-0003pb-UE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 08:01:01 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pl1-x643.google.com with SMTP id g8so3780491plq.11 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 05:00:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc; bh=fyqRMtBQPcphogcJIznJ0xDxV/T+GARbKGF+rbactj8=; b=IqtyCZYNkkIA6CqmMRhRKK1Cz/lBAfW1QbGZvLX75Q+N94Bp2fYDIhXyCGXyZ3NNyQ P2IkVsg3glHzTYIEiNWyjCNBX9n7NFPxTcY+9Tejb7aIPBtlBl/3WIY/rsl1gvQE6DXb kw4xgdmL7hivFuaWWcwOG2EdwY+M6Pqv9LyHe5bZwuGtdY3JzCBWdCEyJEvVJSz4y7Qg 8gaVxFK9q43zF07Vk5S6FndAFBl6nhnLjiBeWjxACofqUDYbIsfh9LRBARjdjXTxLPhe 4qKyZuVVsmlUAliTGWmVI+GFHz3uM2Y8ez5NJlP0hF/tV+dA5kHmTQ1BnMMtml+GJOgm JZmw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc; bh=fyqRMtBQPcphogcJIznJ0xDxV/T+GARbKGF+rbactj8=; b=Q+9Ymb/YHVwXsxj8BG7/R4ofNKZGxGZOQDUOEI/9DDyDPFJJvIipWkXJtFHZntvJHU Qhuw2nxu9D1qvIAZpufYuLc2e32T7iCfic+beuaEBCrHbn+x+lqL3MHzlu6gqypfvv/B fZttbbN6ynCObR7RuuRZk8f34rYVInhhw1N06Ska18O0jPBW48OCXuTEJA3idRwtwofK wfbsBe91c0HBQhNj4H9sJ5nfrPDImoXTYdr8Q0fnA/79ormCcJ0RmFtEA8x1PRpxZ2fs xKmSM5mxY44nB5oZFFA7+XGjA4dNVe+1rENIK08OO3fqiJU6bW+xA9/1BHxZ8Vr7SKy5 O99w== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo26KAkoPHx1D02Z6Tbhf+MYVH/NdIRkTzAVW2GyjFBqGoUob4a0 Zyu/QPrCWozeUuVDPHNUrwI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR65OEof9rxK/rR9Zf1qKFLzQOAUCSD0TGgJua5xC9CmjU8SiYZMDmLxzDPISXQxvlBt4cE3Xw== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:f54b:b0:170:d34b:9104 with SMTP id h11-20020a170902f54b00b00170d34b9104mr15477776plf.100.1661083257973; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 05:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost ([118.185.152.162]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z9-20020aa79589000000b00536021cb7aesm4772763pfj.24.2022.08.21.05.00.56 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Aug 2022 05:00:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87h725olz1.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 21 Aug 2022 13:49:22 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::643; envelope-from=visuweshm@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x643.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 08:06:53 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293693 Archived-At: [=E0=AE=9E=E0=AE=BE=E0=AE=AF=E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=B1=E0=AF=81 =E0=AE=86=E0=AE=95= =E0=AE=B8=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=9F=E0=AF=8D 21, 2022] Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > 5) The scroll bar has to be fixed to work as modern scroll bars to, not > emulate the actions of an 80s Xterm. I.e., you have to be able to drag > the scrool widget, and click above and below it, and have the thing > happen that normal users expect. I find the "modern" scrollbar a waste of screen space precisely because they do not behave like the 80s Xterm scrollbar. [ Argument can be made to make down-mouse-1 and down-mouse-2 to continue scrolling and I think that's a good change but please do not make the current scrollbars as useless as the "modern" ones. ]