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From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
To: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	manuel.uberti@inventati.org, 58839@debbugs.gnu.org,
	Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Subject: bug#58839: [Patch] Re: bug#58839: 29.0.50; project-kill-buffer fails when Eglot is running
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2022 08:36:00 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8735b1bvnz.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a659u7vo.fsf@gmail.com> ("João Távora"'s message of "Wed, 02 Nov 2022 07:34:51 +0000")


In general I'd like to remind everyone of the GNU Kind Communication
Guidelines, because the tone of the discussion in this issue report has
been unpleasant for a few days now.

João Távora <joaotavora@gmail.com> writes:

> Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:
>
>>> I've explained to Philip objective reasons why I think evaluated
>>> mini-languages are almost always inferior to a decent Lisp such as Elisp.
>>> You could perfectly reasonably deprecate these two variables.
>> Not where this discussion is going, is it?
>
> Not sure.  This started has a report of hidden buffer being incorrectly
> killed by project.el.  

The issue that was reported was that Eglot/jsonrpc raised an error that
broke `project-kill-buffer'.  This could have also all been solved by
wrapping a `with-demoted-errors' around `kill-buffer'.

>                        After much insistence, you've agreed to plug the
> hole in that library.  During tests I also discovered that project.el is
> killing other buffers nonsensically, like Gnus buffers, *ibuffer*, and
> many other global.  It was actually easier to find false-positives of
> your heuristic than true ones.  Again, after some insistence, you seem
> to have come around that these things represent bugs.
>
> Three people here have suggested an opt-in approach for the true
> positives.  Now your strategy seems to be "OK: let all these false
> positives remain nonsensically associated with a project in
> project-buffers but let's have global databases of exceptions for
> specific operations, using a (largely redundant) mini-language for
> buffer-matching".

For the record, I am still not convinced 100% either way.  Whether or
not whitelisting or blacklisting is the better approach will concretely
depend the list of misjudgments that the current condition makes.

> If that doesn't sound like a bad idea in the face of much better other
> ideas, I don't know what else to tell you.
>
>>>  > I'm fairly sure that the solution I offered would be easy enough
>>>  > implement, to actually protect the vulnerable buffer.
>>>  > I suppose we are not doing that, however.
>>> You sketched an untested code-less idea and I explained how flawed
>>> it was.
>>
>> Back atcha. Modulo "code-less".
>
> Not only did I provide code, I also verified that it works.  Anyone can
> see my messages to verify that.
>
> João





  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-02  8:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-28 12:56 bug#58839: 29.0.50; project-kill-buffer fails when Eglot is running Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-28 17:17 ` bug#58839: [Patch] " João Távora
2022-10-28 17:28   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-28 17:36     ` João Távora
2022-10-28 18:14     ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-28 18:20       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-28 18:30         ` João Távora
2022-10-28 18:40         ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-29  0:15           ` João Távora
2022-10-29  1:09             ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-29  1:39               ` João Távora
2022-10-29 11:27                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-29 12:16                   ` João Távora
2022-10-29 14:32                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-29 20:38                       ` João Távora
2022-10-29 22:01                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-29 22:49                           ` João Távora
2022-10-30  6:28                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-30 12:40                               ` João Távora
2022-10-30 15:58                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-30 16:39                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-30 19:13                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-30 19:54                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-30 21:15                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-31  9:53                                 ` João Távora
2022-10-31 11:56                                   ` João Távora
2022-10-31 17:11                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-31 20:36                                       ` João Távora
2022-10-31 22:26                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-31 22:51                                           ` João Távora
2022-10-31 14:35                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-31 17:33                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-31 23:19                                     ` João Távora
2022-11-01 10:51                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 13:22                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-01 13:39                                         ` João Távora
2022-10-31 17:24                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-31 20:58                                     ` João Távora
2022-10-31 22:51                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-01 10:48                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 10:59                                           ` João Távora
2022-11-01 11:23                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-01 11:39                                               ` João Távora
2022-11-01 15:27                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-01 16:23                                                   ` João Távora
2022-11-01 22:24                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-02  7:40                                                       ` João Távora
2022-11-01 11:27                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 11:59                                               ` João Távora
2022-11-01 13:03                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 13:37                                                   ` João Távora
2022-11-01 14:00                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 14:11                                                       ` João Távora
2022-11-01 14:36                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-02  7:19                                                           ` João Távora
2022-11-02  7:29                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-02  7:48                                                               ` João Távora
2022-11-02  8:21                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-02  8:41                                                                   ` João Távora
2022-11-02  9:06                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-02  9:52                                                                       ` João Távora
2022-11-02 11:31                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 15:26                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-01 18:44                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 19:50                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-01 20:10                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 22:40                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-01 11:36                                         ` João Távora
2022-11-01 22:23                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-02  7:34                                             ` João Távora
2022-11-02  8:36                                               ` Philip Kaludercic [this message]
2022-11-02  8:50                                                 ` João Távora
2022-11-02  9:13                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-02 14:00                                                     ` João Távora
2022-11-02 14:42                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-02 17:32                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2022-11-03 17:30                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2022-11-03 18:19                                                             ` João Távora
2022-11-02 18:16                                                         ` João Távora
2022-11-04  1:13                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-04 11:21                                     ` Basil L. Contovounesios via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-11-05  0:53                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-29  6:38               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-29 10:59                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-29 11:12                   ` João Távora
2022-10-29 11:05                 ` João Távora

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