From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
To: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
manuel.uberti@inventati.org, 58839@debbugs.gnu.org,
Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Subject: bug#58839: [Patch] Re: bug#58839: 29.0.50; project-kill-buffer fails when Eglot is running
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2022 08:36:00 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8735b1bvnz.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a659u7vo.fsf@gmail.com> ("João Távora"'s message of "Wed, 02 Nov 2022 07:34:51 +0000")
In general I'd like to remind everyone of the GNU Kind Communication
Guidelines, because the tone of the discussion in this issue report has
been unpleasant for a few days now.
João Távora <joaotavora@gmail.com> writes:
> Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:
>
>>> I've explained to Philip objective reasons why I think evaluated
>>> mini-languages are almost always inferior to a decent Lisp such as Elisp.
>>> You could perfectly reasonably deprecate these two variables.
>> Not where this discussion is going, is it?
>
> Not sure. This started has a report of hidden buffer being incorrectly
> killed by project.el.
The issue that was reported was that Eglot/jsonrpc raised an error that
broke `project-kill-buffer'. This could have also all been solved by
wrapping a `with-demoted-errors' around `kill-buffer'.
> After much insistence, you've agreed to plug the
> hole in that library. During tests I also discovered that project.el is
> killing other buffers nonsensically, like Gnus buffers, *ibuffer*, and
> many other global. It was actually easier to find false-positives of
> your heuristic than true ones. Again, after some insistence, you seem
> to have come around that these things represent bugs.
>
> Three people here have suggested an opt-in approach for the true
> positives. Now your strategy seems to be "OK: let all these false
> positives remain nonsensically associated with a project in
> project-buffers but let's have global databases of exceptions for
> specific operations, using a (largely redundant) mini-language for
> buffer-matching".
For the record, I am still not convinced 100% either way. Whether or
not whitelisting or blacklisting is the better approach will concretely
depend the list of misjudgments that the current condition makes.
> If that doesn't sound like a bad idea in the face of much better other
> ideas, I don't know what else to tell you.
>
>>> > I'm fairly sure that the solution I offered would be easy enough
>>> > implement, to actually protect the vulnerable buffer.
>>> > I suppose we are not doing that, however.
>>> You sketched an untested code-less idea and I explained how flawed
>>> it was.
>>
>> Back atcha. Modulo "code-less".
>
> Not only did I provide code, I also verified that it works. Anyone can
> see my messages to verify that.
>
> João
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Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-10-28 12:56 bug#58839: 29.0.50; project-kill-buffer fails when Eglot is running Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-28 17:17 ` bug#58839: [Patch] " João Távora
2022-10-28 17:28 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-28 17:36 ` João Távora
2022-10-28 18:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-28 18:20 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-28 18:30 ` João Távora
2022-10-28 18:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-29 0:15 ` João Távora
2022-10-29 1:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-29 1:39 ` João Távora
2022-10-29 11:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-29 12:16 ` João Távora
2022-10-29 14:32 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-29 20:38 ` João Távora
2022-10-29 22:01 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-29 22:49 ` João Távora
2022-10-30 6:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-30 12:40 ` João Távora
2022-10-30 15:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-30 16:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-30 19:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-30 19:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-30 21:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-31 9:53 ` João Távora
2022-10-31 11:56 ` João Távora
2022-10-31 17:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-31 20:36 ` João Távora
2022-10-31 22:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-31 22:51 ` João Távora
2022-10-31 14:35 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-31 17:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-31 23:19 ` João Távora
2022-11-01 10:51 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 13:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-01 13:39 ` João Távora
2022-10-31 17:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-31 20:58 ` João Távora
2022-10-31 22:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-01 10:48 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 10:59 ` João Távora
2022-11-01 11:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-01 11:39 ` João Távora
2022-11-01 15:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-01 16:23 ` João Távora
2022-11-01 22:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-02 7:40 ` João Távora
2022-11-01 11:27 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 11:59 ` João Távora
2022-11-01 13:03 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 13:37 ` João Távora
2022-11-01 14:00 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 14:11 ` João Távora
2022-11-01 14:36 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-02 7:19 ` João Távora
2022-11-02 7:29 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-02 7:48 ` João Távora
2022-11-02 8:21 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-02 8:41 ` João Távora
2022-11-02 9:06 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-02 9:52 ` João Távora
2022-11-02 11:31 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 15:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-01 18:44 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 19:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-01 20:10 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 22:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-01 11:36 ` João Távora
2022-11-01 22:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-02 7:34 ` João Távora
2022-11-02 8:36 ` Philip Kaludercic [this message]
2022-11-02 8:50 ` João Távora
2022-11-02 9:13 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-02 14:00 ` João Távora
2022-11-02 14:42 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-02 17:32 ` Juri Linkov
2022-11-03 17:30 ` Juri Linkov
2022-11-03 18:19 ` João Távora
2022-11-02 18:16 ` João Távora
2022-11-04 1:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-04 11:21 ` Basil L. Contovounesios via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-11-05 0:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-29 6:38 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-29 10:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-29 11:12 ` João Távora
2022-10-29 11:05 ` João Távora
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