From: Matt Armstrong <matt@rfc20.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: 58801@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#58801: [PATCH] Autoload the `calc-eval-error' variable
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 10:24:00 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8735ak6pq7.fsf@rfc20.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmmzf+ho6_KqO1Avyz6pcNrzTydngz5q6DdkgZs5frBWOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:
> Matt Armstrong <matt@rfc20.org> writes:
>
>> From 526d0b31e0d836e7a3c21d831849b8c50da2420e Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
>> From: Matt Armstrong <matt@rfc20.org>
>> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:46:37 -0700
>> Subject: [PATCH] Autoload the `calc-eval-error' variable
>>
>> * lisp/calc/calc-aent.el: Autoload the `calc-eval-error' variable,
>> because it is documented as a lisp level option of the `calc-eval'
>> function, which is also autoloaded. Otherwise, even (require 'calc)
>> is not enough to get the variable defined; `calc-eval' must actually
>> be evaluated. This squashes byte compiler warnings in code using the
>> variable.
>
> I don't necessarily object strongly or anything, but should we really
> autoload a variable just to squash byte compiler warnings?
Perhaps I can learn something here. Why refrain from autoloading the
variable in this situation?
Note that in my case I had (require 'calc) in the file that used the
`calc-eval-error' symbol. The info docs for calc state that (require
'calc) loads nearly everything you need from calc. I may not understand
something about the design constraints here, but it seems strange to
refrain from autoloading this symbol, since (require 'calc) already
(auto)loads a *lot* of stuff.
> I think the usual way to do that is to say
>
> (defvar calc-eval-error)
>
> in the calling code.
I think "in the calling code" applies to specific situations. For
example:
- A defvar for something x- in package x.
- Symbols provided by packages that are conditionally loaded, so the
current package can not rely on (require 'x) to providing `x-'
symbols at bytcomp time.
- Situations where the package has inadequate/incorrect autoloads, so
(require 'x) doesn't provide enough. I.e. to work around bugs. ;-)
My first impression is that adding `defvar' to squash bytecomp warnings
for symbols in other packages is the wrong default action, and that the
best idea is for
(require 'foo)
to provide all symbols 'foo-' that one might need when using the `foo'
package in the normal way.
Notice that (info "(elisp) Converting to Lexical Binding") has this
phrasing:
> A warning about a reference or an assignment to a free variable is
> usually a clear sign that that variable should be marked as
> dynamically scoped, so you need to add an appropriate ‘defvar’ before
> the first use of that variable.
It doesn't state what an "appropriate 'defvar'" is. Certainly, if the
var is part of the current package, adding a 'defvar' in the same file
makes sense. If the var is part of some other package, properly
required by the current package, I think that other package is missing
an autoload.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-11-15 18:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-10-26 17:02 bug#58801: [PATCH] Autoload the `calc-eval-error' variable Matt Armstrong
2022-11-11 13:16 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-15 18:24 ` Matt Armstrong [this message]
2022-11-15 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-24 19:50 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-26 16:58 ` Matt Armstrong
2023-09-07 7:51 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-11-05 16:38 ` Stefan Kangas
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