From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Whitton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Android port of Emacs Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 08:30:57 +0100 Message-ID: <87352huxji.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <83edmask4z.fsf@gnu.org> <5c02371a-3c42-de66-70b7-4ed0d88cc3fa@gutov.dev> <834jn159vs.fsf@gnu.org> <831qi23bif.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3991"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 24 09:32:00 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qCxkV-0000dW-3n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307174 Archived-At: Hello, On Fri 23 Jun 2023 at 10:04AM +03, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > When I started this discussion, I thought we'd want to learn from past > experience, and expected some discussion of how to learn from the past > and whether this case is somehow different or not. Instead, all I > hear is that the Android port will be a useful feature (true, but > never a question in my eyes), and how we already made similar > (mistaken?) judgments in other cases. E.g., I point out that a > significant part of the Android support is written in Java, so Emacs > maintainers will need to be proficient in Java or rely on others for > making decisions, and in response I'm told that we already have > Objective C in the NS port. IOW: we already made similar decisions in > the past, so let's keep doing the same in the future as well. Are we > not supposed to learn from the past? Are we not supposed to apply > past experience to similar situations, not just reiterating the same > decision-making processes with quite probably the same outcomes? I don't think anyone disagrees with you that it is worth thinking about this. The point of disagreement is just that you're weighing the badness of releasing Emacs with a broken port much more heavily than anyone else, that's all. I wouldn't go as far as Po and say that the problem is "imaginary", just that it's less bad than you think. -- Sean Whitton