From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Shrinking the C core Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 20:39:46 +0000 Message-ID: <87350d78j1.fsf@localhost> References: <20230809094655.793FC18A4654@snark.thyrsus.com> <87edk3gbh3.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87jztvnuyb.fsf@localhost> <875y5bdutt.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87y1i6e1uh.fsf@localhost> <874jkub40o.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87jztqdw2l.fsf@localhost> <87msym9i4r.fsf@dataswamp.org> <877cpp914t.fsf@localhost> <83fs4dwwdo.fsf@gnu.org> <874jkt90a5.fsf@localhost> <87y1i57jqi.fsf@localhost> <87pm3h7h8k.fsf@localhost> <87h6ot7cf3.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30002"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, incal@dataswamp.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 20 22:40:14 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qXpDZ-0007af-UD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 22:40:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXpCq-0002Fr-2D; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 16:39:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXpCo-0002Fj-AN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 16:39:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXpCl-0006KB-2d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 16:39:25 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0137F240103 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 22:39:21 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1692563961; bh=SLKyKr1J20VBicClDVXO/vspQpg00anS/TAO4ttogO8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=pH9xJOuCaEMHexqF9SzcpnAqyFnMDE+q0vqGXJY/OdzXA1u+itPDE9TEkXph50tmH joRDlgxJc/YtPLei8mfiJPLCF4huBeQo56htiSNGMZ8Xo5H7EEO6tcldSDrCHAEAgi zwqJAk6lNn1p0WCwiPBDYJq7MdvPST4E9bQ4n3IO5kWtTdusstUcKgxCZVG5JuAfAV V+aQnv9HlVn1jqzEuABJym0wuZswEYeUI/VySgFtl/Ff3JSUmLRJ0nXIf1LJPVPWT8 F74qbiMtyc9fg22zn01lJTsKIOlrAtQ/unrNfDgpzYTnitUHM+g+8fWMrlIqnKzXOl fSSx4YFQ4gS5g== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4RTSBw38t2z6twf; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 22:39:20 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -53 X-Spam_score: -5.4 X-Spam_bar: ----- X-Spam_report: (-5.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308999 Archived-At: "Alfred M. Szmidt" writes: > SBCL does transformation of Lisp code, there is a huge difference > there that clearly is being ignored here. May you elaborate what you mean by transformation? > AFAIK, users cannot specify type info manually, but types are tracked > when transforming Elisp byte code into LIMP representation. > > You cannot track type information in a dynamically typed language > without providing hints, something Emacs lisp does not do. https://zenodo.org/record/3736363, Section 3.4 forward data-flow analysis. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at