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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310055 Archived-At: "Bozhidar Batsov" writes: > What hostile manner? Do we need permission from you to start discussing > Clojure editing facilities here > > You don't need my permission to do anything. But in my book it's good > manners to try to get people involved in a conversation that might > benefit from their presence. All I did when I started this thread was grab this message from Philip Kaludercic: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2023-08/msg00968.html I hit "reply to all" and changed the subject line for clarity. By then, you had already made very clear to Eli and others that your Clojure modes would not come to GNU Emacs. Your opening "I've said a million times" email didn't exactly sound exactly very chummy either: I've been maintaining almost all of the Clojure dev tooling for Emacs for over a decade, so I do believe that by now I know what I'm doing and how I want to do things. I've said a million times by now that I don't want contributors to have to deal with copyright agreements. In: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2023-08/msg01127.html So excuse me for not issuing a special scented invitation to His Highness, but I did believe he was above Being Bothered with GNU trivialities. > One day perhaps you'll learn that things=20 "good manners"?? "one day perhaps you'll learn"??? You can't make this stuff up. Send me your youtube video on good manners, too? Let's be clear: your help -- would there have been any -- would of course have been welcomed. But I didn't see it as essential: none of your code was involved I was explicitly starting from scratch. And to be frank you didn't even pop in my head when starting the thread, so I did was "reply to all". Anyone can read these emails, after all. You did finally find the thread. But then all you did was try to intimidate, scaremonger and dissuade. Given that you're now backtracking, err... reviewing your position, we might have your Clojure modes in GNU in the end. So I guess something decent might come of those 2 lines of code after all. Jo=C3=A3o