From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: An anonymous IRC user's opinion Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2024 16:46:53 +0200 Message-ID: <8734l8q8bm.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <19ed5fa4ec0d3be9cfddc92ce2c78e47f2a3efb6.camel@octave.org> <87y133u4bf.fsf@web.de> <87msjgzh0a.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37495"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:e3NcQXzQFQ1LbhMCuOVFO1+c6Oo= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 07 17:57:01 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sxq6W-0009VR-MT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Oct 2024 17:57:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sxq5n-0004Ee-7S; Mon, 07 Oct 2024 11:56:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sxp11-0006ZI-Bl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Oct 2024 10:47:18 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sxp0y-00044x-Tq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Oct 2024 10:47:15 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sxp0w-0003fF-39 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Oct 2024 16:47:10 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 07 Oct 2024 11:56:14 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324402 Archived-At: Ship Mints wrote: > Probably already mentioned...Philip Kaludercic made the > following Emacs init file generator which might be a good > basis for helping people get started with specialized > packages and configurations they might want to try. That is probably what he set out to do, and he did it, and not in a bad way, so good, the only objection would be this has to be executed at the discretion of the user, yes, give me guided configuration. When I started to program I didn't know half of that stuff, but I just might have had enough cognitive plusplus to grasp the concept of a text editor and that Emacs was one. So the first time anyone starts Emacs, blank .emacs or not, what should happen is a very quick startup with as little visual noise and technobabble as possible, and then just an all-white, empty buffer: hello there, you came to the right place, I am ALL YOURS to edit! Because, when the expected happens, this is actually a good feeling even to adventurous people. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal