From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: An anonymous IRC user's opinion Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 22:20:03 +0200 Message-ID: <8734l5kozw.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <87plodsjsd.fsf@web.de> <87bjzxo0fn.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19469"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:v1PPl9OCF1jzXphRcWduuQuHdTc= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 10 06:33:47 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sykrz-0004rJ-LK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 06:33:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sykrq-0001PT-Sf; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 00:33:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sydAW-0003pD-7t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2024 16:20:24 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sydAU-0007RE-0L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2024 16:20:23 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sydAR-0009BO-DI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2024 22:20:19 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 00:33:37 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324467 Archived-At: Richard Stallman wrote: >> You read the manuals for your TI-83 scientific calculator >> and Makita impact driver as well? > > I have a feeling that question is sarcastic. Oh, I'm never sarcastic. People never understand what I mean, here and in life in geneal, just imagine how it would be if I went around being sarcastic. Now you made me think ... What I meant was: Does he read ALL tech manuals? Or just SOME? If he reads some, is it because some stuff is more complicated or is it because some stuff - that he cares more for it and is more active with and around it? > Sarcasm make the point unclear, so it leads to > misunderstandings and confusion. I don't use either of those > products, so I can't guess what the point was. > > Also, it tends to suggest hostility (even if none is > actually meant). That often hurts feelings and makes the > discussion acrimonious. > > Therefore we ask people to avoid sarcasm in our discussions. > See https://gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html. Yes, I know, and I agree. You could add a paragraph what you should do when you feel hurt. Not when you feel a lot hurt, then instinct takes over anyway, but when you go from happy to sad because of something someone said, be it the thing itself or how it was formulated and put forward. The only thing I've come up with is immediately as yourself, "did this person intend to be a jerk to you?" I have found that whatever answer you reach, it tends to have removed some of the hurtness already. You can also visualize yourself from the outside. You see a guy with a keyboard, not feeling good, hurting, even, and you see it is you, but still you have removed yourself from pain and you can stay out as long as needed, and when you return, you know about the pain, because it happened, and you remember it, but you don't FEEL it in the same way. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal