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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325246 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> That would be redundant, since there is no key binding inexpressible >> with the events I propose that can be expressed with events generated >> from keysyms. > > It isn't redundant, since it reports different events from the same > keys. But ultimately it is, literally, only a difference in name that makes a world of difference for reliability.