-geometry vs. font size

-geometry vs. font size

[Dan Jacobson]

On the man page:
       -geometry geometry
               Set the Emacs window's width, height, and position
               as  specified.   The  geometry specification is in
               the standard X format; see X(1) for more  informa-
               tion.  The width and height are specified in char-
               acters; the default is 80 by 40.

But shouldn't there be added words like "you won't get what you expect
if you change the default font size [in .emacs or .Xdefaults ?],
especially if started from an .xsession file.  The remedy is ... "
I wonder if the eagerly awaited --fullscreen will screw up to.
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Re: -geometry vs. font size

[Alfred M. Szmidt]

Dan Jacobson <jidanni@dman.ddts.net> writes:
> On the man page:
>        -geometry geometry
>                Set the Emacs window's width, height, and position
>                as  specified.   The  geometry specification is in
>                the standard X format; see X(1) for more  informa-
>                tion.  The width and height are specified in char-
>                acters; the default is 80 by 40.
> 
> But shouldn't there be added words like "you won't get what you expect
> if you change the default font size [in .emacs or .Xdefaults ?],

What do you mean? If I specify `emacs -geometry 100x100' then I will get
the width and height as I would expect it (100x100 characters).  If I use
`emacs --font 6x10' then I will get 80x40 characters frame but with a
6x10 font.

Cheers,
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Alfred M. Szmidt

Re: -geometry vs. tool-bar-mode

[Dan Jacobson]

>>>>> "A" == Alfred M Szmidt <ams@kemisten.nu> writes:

A> What do you mean? If I specify `emacs -geometry 100x100' then I will get
A> the width and height as I would expect it (100x100 characters).

I bet it is us users with (tool-bar-mode 0) in .emacs that feel the
silliest about this calculation.  Can please
1. --geometry be evaluated _after_ the tool-bar-mode, or
2. prominent words be added to the emacs man page -geometry section
warning that if one dabbles with tool-bar-mode 0, one must rethink his
-geometry wishes.  Also add this to emacs --help output.
By the way, on the man page don't you want to write --geometry etc. instead
of -geometry, at least judging from the emphasis "--" is given on the
--help output.  Yes, both work (do mention that) but we want to
promote "--".

Also note --geometry vs tool-bar-mode in the tool-bar-mode docstrings.

Anyways, all I know is the size reported by alt f8 in icewm ... 

OK, so I've got it all upside down, whatever.

All I wanted to do was have a "fullsize" emacs created from my
.xsession file.

Why may I ask does
$ emacs #from the shell
give me one
whilst
emacs & in .xsession
give me one that is 3 lines shorter.  Yes my xrdb line comes first.
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Re: -geometry vs. tool-bar-mode

[Alfred M. Szmidt]

Dan Jacobson <jidanni@dman.ddts.net> writes:
> >>>>> "A" == Alfred M Szmidt <ams@kemisten.nu> writes:
> 
> A> What do you mean? If I specify `emacs -geometry 100x100' then I will get
> A> the width and height as I would expect it (100x100 characters).
> 
> I bet it is us users with (tool-bar-mode 0) in .emacs that feel the
> silliest about this calculation.  Can please

It is you who are being silly in your bug report, you are not being
very clear.  What exactly do you mean?

> By the way, on the man page don't you want to write --geometry etc. instead
> of -geometry, at least judging from the emphasis "--" is given on the
> --help output.  Yes, both work (do mention that) but we want to
> promote "--".

GNU projects don't use man pages as their official source for
information, --help and the info page is used for this.

> Also note --geometry vs tool-bar-mode in the tool-bar-mode docstrings.

I do not see any such reference in the tool-bar-mode docstring, both
for the function and variable.  Please be more clear.

When reporting a bug report report what you are seeing and why you
think it is a bug, you haven't done this.  Please do it next time so
that we can stop playing these guessing games and waste time.

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Alfred M. Szmidt

Re: -geometry vs. tool-bar-mode

[Dan Jacobson]

>>>>> "A" == Alfred M Szmidt <ams@kemisten.nu> writes:

A> It is you who are being silly in your bug report, you are not being
A> very clear.  What exactly do you mean?

$ emacs --no-site-file -q --eval '(tool-bar-mode 0)' -geometry 10x10   
gives me a 10x7 window while
$ emacs --no-site-file -q -geometry 10x10
gives me a 10x10 window.  Given that the user asked for a 10x10
window, he should be given it.

>> By the way, on the man page don't you want to write --geometry etc. instead
>> of -geometry, at least judging from the emphasis "--" is given on the
>> --help output.  Yes, both work (do mention that) but we want to
>> promote "--".

A> GNU projects don't use man pages as their official source for
A> information, --help and the info page is used for this.

All I know is I did
debian_$ man emacs
and it said on there

       Richard Stallman encourages you to improve and extend Emacs

and I thought it also applied to the man pages that came with it. 

>> Also note --geometry vs tool-bar-mode in the tool-bar-mode docstrings.

A> I do not see any such reference in the tool-bar-mode docstring, both
A> for the function and variable.  Please be more clear.

by "note" I meant "please notate", "please add a notation"
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Re: -geometry vs. tool-bar-mode

[Richard Stallman]

I have improved the documentation of this.