From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jsbien@mimuw.edu.pl (=?iso-8859-2?q?Janusz_S._Bie=F1?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: problem with mule-utf-8 ? Date: 08 Sep 2003 07:47:24 +0200 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <871xuru903.fsf@mimuw.edu.pl> References: <87n0dirmib.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> <9003-Sat06Sep2003221748+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> Reply-To: jsbien@mimuw.edu.pl NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1063000674 31656 80.91.224.253 (8 Sep 2003 05:57:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 05:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 08 07:57:53 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19wF28-0003zK-00 for ; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 07:57:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19wExR-0007Sk-IH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 01:53:01 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 19wEwg-0007QB-M2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 01:52:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 19wEwa-0007LC-A0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 01:52:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [193.0.96.2] (helo=duch.mimuw.edu.pl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.22) id 19wEwX-0007Em-DS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 01:52:05 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98E0586C; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:52:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from duch.mimuw.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (duch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20596-02; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:52:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1009) id 094E5584A; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:51:59 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <9003-Sat06Sep2003221748+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> Original-Lines: 55 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2.95 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:12343 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:12343 On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 "Eli Zaretskii" wrote: > > From: Pascal Bourguignon > > Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help > > Date: 06 Sep 2003 16:59:24 +0200 > > > > So, what's the matter? I thought that unicode inclued all the > > characters, and that utf-8 was able to transcribe all unicode > > character, or not? > > > > Of course, I insist and save it with utf-8 encoding, then when I load > > this utf-8 file later, I get rectangle frames instead of katakana... > > In what version of Emacs? > All released versions of Emacs support > only part of the BMP. Specifically, these ranges of Unicode > codepoints are supported: > > 0100..33ff > e000..ffff > > If katakana characters are not in these ranges, you cannot have them > in unicode. You can extend Unicode support with mule-ucs. This is the excerpt from the output of Help -> Find Extra Packages. * Mule-UCS: Universal Encoding System: Extended coding systems for Mule, specifically for reading and writing UTF-8 encoded Unicode. This does more than the built-in utf-8 coding system, specifically covering a lot of Far Eastern characters. (See the entry in PROBLEMS concerning slow startup of Mule-UCS.) > > The CVS version of Emacs can (I think) convert katakana to Unicode > when encoding and decoding text. I also think you can have this with > released versions if you install ucs-tables (look on > gnu.emacs.sources). If you are going to use CVS, you may as well try emacs-unicode :-). Regards Janusz -- , dr hab. Janusz S. Bien, prof. UW Prof. Janusz S. Bien, Warsaw Uniwersity jsbien@mimuw.edu.pl, jsbien@uw.edu.pl http://www.orient.uw.edu.pl/~jsbien/ http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/~jsbien/