From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alex Schroeder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: problems with easy-menu-add on --without-x emacs Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:18:34 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <871xmrbeed.fsf@emacswiki.org> References: <877jwocydn.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1081902259 4096 80.91.224.253 (14 Apr 2004 00:24:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: miles@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 14 02:24:09 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BDYCH-0001by-00 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:24:09 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BDYCG-0008SA-00 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:24:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BDYAg-000300-6b for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:22:30 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BDY8j-0000xA-Cw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:20:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BDY7W-0007Rf-1F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:19:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [62.2.95.247] (helo=smtp.hispeed.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.30) id 1BDY6u-0006do-9m; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:18:36 -0400 Original-Received: from confusibombus.emacswiki.org (80-219-228-41.dclient.hispeed.ch [80.219.228.41]) by smtp.hispeed.ch (8.12.6/8.12.6/tornado-1.0) with ESMTP id i3E0IWIb000397; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:18:33 +0200 Original-To: rms@gnu.org Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAYAAABXAvmHAAACkElEQVR42s1a0bLsIAgzjv// y7kPd9pVKxKVdk6fzux2C4EAwR6QZBpcQEopIf3Fq3a52Lfh0Mjjk99zcWYBwA2ihEen9jVxfAf/ u0+Y2HQwNoVw4Dx34trRV6NSjiLPmfPt77jwiBxB/3PnZ3B2AGxzHnGu0wcBwAIAyQwZGvQhiFcy YLOFQcSB/MS82n3ec37vykNqRFTX9rVWR2U5+pZNIggll0CUOQN9BDdm1LfBmcZxIEqjL6r2JU/D galaB7Zg4jlY2ulnIx9OR4iMRl38CAFyKaA8jAxE7lNn650VKMULZ/54crqn0YQCJGQliebXkFIK hwqmGm28cgsSjz/hzRCMneQEwMjVoH3gWTtMPgIslJUV5uIluvUEkyzU+gUGQO62e9NuSdZCzNOM fDPC87iCqfE9gHinsIrSL16TPBfrYIeHzqKU90a50jCh54EcrgAUFo5ibzvebgr/I66USQ0CspQp IVSoBQK3WswDDIndIraHxoglqOjM1d044PQvu1NY0EHtqQR/XwJ+PeCs0x2dSlApZVw4MPER23PD 7JekoHxrqTRod/2Gx5nhx5dfAJhqPt7tDMIZxNN/7lOIaparPn7ZQ88drlORC2eLWXowxIq4gHTh VN1BSmsHoxYAbPWDTuGQuuecS+aYQUYpfr0YqPQOuuUk5tApK077+2xfOYP+XyWEIwPcE49lvT9N y2+wU2KylGGp4yxlALcm6fSlmgk62yfSsfNunDl5d6W91MBUoZw679YAJoMMkhijuXdFOL+khaL2 s+g3zy4APQuQvSc/BNAYnkl6E8ivYtEHJXa1dihE3zgnKMdNgN8DiIwgA17NykUMvFDQ+LALvXXI BuBLAHv/DvBmc/0HzR03PqXmLcQAAAAASUVORK5CYII= In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:44:56 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/22.0.0 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:21605 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:21605 Richard Stallman writes: > If the precomputation is still useful on 5% of machines in use, it is > worth keeping. If it is still useful on 3% of machines in use, maybe > it is worth keeping. If it is only 1%, then I think it is not worth > keeping. I would think that 5-year-old PCs are several percent of the > PCs in use now, at least; that statistic ought to be available from > some sort of commercial statistics source. Could someone please look > for this? I don't have information from a commercial statistics source. However: One college I taught at two years ago here in Switzerland *had* to use computers for at least five years. This was some government decision. Therefore, you would expect a significant percentage of five year old computers in some Swiss schools. They made significant efforts to extend the lifespan of their hardware. Alex. -- .O. http://www.emacswiki.org/alex/ ..O Schroeder's fourth law: OOO None of your friends and coworkers share your taste in music.