From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: @#$! new behavior of C-b & C-f in i-search Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:03:59 +0300 Organization: JURTA Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <871xlfaat6.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <86k6za1afm.fsf@rumba.de.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1085034290 10197 80.91.224.253 (20 May 2004 06:24:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 06:24:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu May 20 08:24:38 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BQgys-0001SF-00 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 08:24:38 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BQgys-00052V-00 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 08:24:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BQgvG-0007wn-K2 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 02:20:54 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BQgv6-0007ty-EN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 02:20:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BQguY-0007Ww-LU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 02:20:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [66.33.219.19] (helo=spoon.dreamhost.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BQguX-0007WS-U2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 02:20:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.jurta.org (80-235-32-209-dsl.mus.estpak.ee [80.235.32.209]) by spoon.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB1213D861; Wed, 19 May 2004 23:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: Karl Eichwalder In-Reply-To: (Karl Eichwalder's message of "Wed, 19 May 2004 07:22:04 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:23761 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:23761 Karl Eichwalder writes: > "Robert J. Chassell" writes: >> The feature itself is exellent. But I still have trouble with the >> keybindings. I never knew I used `C-b' & `C-f' so often, but I do, >> and the habit is very hard to break. > > yes, but I think it is more important that having found the first > occurance of the (beginning of) string you can press several C-f in a > row to extent the search string; that less error prone than being force > to enter all the different letters: k-i-n-d-e-r-g-a-r-t-e-n. Yes, I > know, you can complete the search word using C-w; but often, you are not > interested in the complete word and thus you cannot make use of C-w. There is no doubt that functions to modify the search string character-wise should have dedicated key bindings. But it became apparent that C-f and C-b are quite intrusive. Luckily, C-M-w and C-M-y are no less convenient to type, because they are located on the same keys to which other yank-related functions are bound: C-w, C-y, M-y. And they will cause no harm because C-M-w is a rare command (especially in isearch mode) and C-M-y is undefined. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/