From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:16:16 +0200 Message-ID: <871wctziwv.fsf@kfs-lx.testafd.dk> References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <86myvu2zw1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20070912093913.GB12104@saeurebad.de> <87wsuum8qw.fsf@jurta.org> <85abrn9ini.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85d4wh3kf9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <851wcw1qht.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190287000 24532 80.91.229.12 (20 Sep 2007 11:16:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 20 13:16:37 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IYK1D-0004bC-IK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:16:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYK1B-000163-5n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:16:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IYK18-00015c-4h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:16:22 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IYK16-00014r-Sv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:16:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYK16-00014h-OC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:16:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-relay.sonofon.dk ([212.88.64.25]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IYK16-0004Jw-7E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:16:20 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 4439 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 11:16:18 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO kfs-lx.testafd.dk.cua.dk) (213.83.150.2) by 0 with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 11:16:18 -0000 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed\, 19 Sep 2007 11\:49\:29 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) X-Detected-Kernel: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79365 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Is your mind made up that this is the way Emacs must behave, or are > there any arguments that might change your mind? > > My mind is made up that we must arrange that beginners who always > specify a file name argument mostly do see the splash screen > information. I'm all in favour of the intentions behind this decision, but my fear is that making it too intrusive (i.e. annoying) will cause many sysadmins and even makers of "Linux distributions" (as they incorrectly call themselves) to simply turn off the splash-screen altogether for _all_ users. AFAICS, the only thing we can do to prevent that is to find a reasonably non-annoying way to "say what we want to say". > I expect beginners mainly use window systems, so showing the splash > screen in the tty case is not so important. Thus, I don't mind if we > don't show the splash screen when starting Emacs with file name > arguments on a tty. Can you clarify that statement, please! So are you saying that it is now ok to _not_ show the splash screen when starting emacs -nw FILENAME ?? In my mind, starting emacs in a Linux Console, and starting emacs -nw in an xterm all amounts to "starting emacs from a tty". For most practical uses, that's really the only way to start a non-window emacs with a file name argument. On a window system you typically click on a file to edit it - so (as you say) that will typically launch a graphical emacs (which should of course show the splash screen - in some form or another). -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk