From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New keybinding suggestion: C-x _ for `shrink-window' Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:45:54 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <871wapprsh.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87ejexwf4m.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87wssom9qy.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <876406e0pk.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87wsslsk4x.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87mytg7l2a.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <473B7CDD.4040401@gmail.com> <87y7czp6df.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <473CBC3B.2050205@gmail.com> <473CC7EF.6080007@gmail.com> <87wssifjly.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87wsshx4vd.fsf@jurta.org> <473E318C.5080203@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1195264315 19829 80.91.229.12 (17 Nov 2007 01:51:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Bastien , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 17 02:52:00 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ItCql-0006Zo-8u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:51:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItCqY-0005IJ-9M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:51:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ItCqV-0005Hw-8J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:51:43 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ItCqS-0005HP-TP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:51:42 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItCqS-0005HM-Lw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:51:40 -0500 Original-Received: from relay02.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.197]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ItCqS-0001jm-4J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:51:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay02.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ItCqP-000KaX-R5; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:51:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: <473E318C.5080203@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:10:52 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Scanner-Signature: 88f972a75cd389d721acc69b695bb680 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 1796 [Nov 16 2007] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 19 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:83397 Archived-At: > Your suggestion to instead S-arrows is of course very simple to implement > in the current version of winsize.el, maybe as an alternative. If we want > that I would suggest using S-arrows, since shift can be seen as a mnemonic > for "upper" (and maybe also since I think a shift to the left might be > good). This is a good mnemonic, but then we should use M-arrows for windmove instead of its default S-arrows. > After thinking about this for some minutes I am still not sure what > I think about it. One drawback is that it is more to remember and that is > not good for something you do rather seldom. The need to decide between resizing two opposite borders arises very rarely, only when there is more then two windows in a row (either horizontally or vertically). And even for users who forget keys for resizing the top/left border it is easy to switch to the upper/left window with M-arrows, resize its bottom/right border with simple arrow keys (which is the same as the top/left border of the original window), and switch back to the original window. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/