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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
Cc: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>, Emacs-Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: always put Customizations in `custom-file', never in `user-init-file'
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:56:07 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871w9udurc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <475DAEAE.2040305@gmail.com>

Lennart Borgman (gmail) writes:

 > Then it might be best to avoid automatic migration, but to give a 
 > command to migrate custom data to custom-file.

Well, it's embarrassing to admit, but we really screwed up.  Keeping a
backup of the original .emacs should have been enough.  We didn't.
The thing to be aware of, is that after aborting due to an error,
there are no customizations known to customize, but users will often
save a few customizations so that they can get some work done.  This
will then destroy the customization file (at least in our version of
customize) since a custom-save simply writes out the whole state.
Custom has some protection against doing this automatically, I think,
but the migration code wasn't aware of it, and neither were users.
Ooops!  Tricky, very tricky.

The other thing to note is that this was typically reported by people
using Emacs and trying XEmacs.  Normally you don't have errors in your
init file. :-)

I think separate custom-file and automigration are both good ideas.
Just be aware that (at least in our implementation of custom, but I
think it's probably true of Emacs's, too) there are some ways to go
badly wrong, and be careful to protect the user's init file and
existing customizations.

 > Yes, you are of course right.

In hindsight, yes, but we had to learn that from experience.  The
experience is there, I'd like you to benefit from it.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-12-10 22:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-10 19:02 always put Customizations in `custom-file', never in `user-init-file' Drew Adams
2007-12-10 19:21 ` Eric Hanchrow
2007-12-10 20:30 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-12-10 21:19   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-10 21:25     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-12-10 22:12       ` Drew Adams
2007-12-10 22:35         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-12-10 23:09           ` Drew Adams
2007-12-10 23:19             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-12-10 23:44               ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11  0:05                 ` Jason Rumney
2007-12-11  0:16                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-12-10 22:56       ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2007-12-10 23:06         ` David Kastrup
2007-12-11  0:07           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-10 23:08         ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11  0:31           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-10 22:08     ` Drew Adams
2007-12-10 23:45       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-11  0:14         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-12-11  1:04           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-11  6:05           ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11  0:47         ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11  2:20           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-11  6:15             ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11  9:53               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-11 16:57                 ` Drew Adams
2007-12-12 10:00                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-12 16:31                     ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11 19:01           ` Richard Stallman
2007-12-11 19:12             ` Drew Adams
2007-12-10 21:58   ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11  4:00     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-12-11  6:04       ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11 14:52         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-12-11 16:58           ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11 22:12             ` David Kastrup
2007-12-10 22:07 ` Jason Rumney
2007-12-10 23:08   ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11  3:02 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-12-11  6:06   ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11 11:39     ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-12-11 16:58       ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11 19:00 ` Richard Stallman

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