From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:39:50 +0200 Message-ID: <871w1k6d89.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> <87myk828zm.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216813252 17155 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2008 11:40:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:40:52 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 23 13:41:41 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLcie-0004SZ-31 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:41:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51843 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLchk-0007i5-ES for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:40:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLchK-0007hf-Tw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:39:58 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLchI-0007gx-Pp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:39:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43538 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLchI-0007gu-MI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:39:56 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.154]:24304) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLchI-0002pN-B1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:39:56 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1123663fgb.30 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:39:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:from:to:subject :in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:sender; bh=G8rMbTCqtBB7M1I05s5gr5TjiMzChrLT5vUW53JCRuI=; b=kTvamoCeBOt0Nl8GDci1wDpmohxOsLCuQQ9jQzvheJhAZRCKzxFXVooD/msKyp6uvO BVi9BgUw7f2AaHJ8dR94cMgPqjl9ll1OGoGn/XfGLwy1qDNyRz/64fvCR7ewAjc5JETc c3QoHh63sLb5DYJP0JUX7yq5yHJMfk3gmgkCA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:sender; b=tKHbr1aO5HTwV7XOjHxDvAMAP8RoIhkSBEBTibYAHvyq4HNhagKjl6XAF3s60sRGLa RZx8JV3NmmRZZx5h7kSE4oNnZ+VdmF6tZbexW502Q35miKI7YSvPAuaLbDqHmQrw1Ies AND9KalgLfgRcN3MVpD/vnfdHX7e+8btnmurw= Original-Received: by 10.86.66.11 with SMTP id o11mr1521099fga.69.1216813194688; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from bzg.ath.cx ( [90.35.197.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm2295890fgb.6.2008.07.23.04.39.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by bzg.ath.cx (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E679B158165; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:39:50 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:11:18 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110009 (No Gnus v0.9) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55850 Archived-At: "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > I worry about the people who simply leaves Emacs behind. The learning curve might be one problem. The absence of some features the user want is another one. If Emacs implements a feature that no other editor implements then the user is usually not fussy about the learning curve. So instead of always trying to lessen the difficulty of learning Emacs, I think we should concentrate on features that users want (like CEDET, Tabs, etc.) Those who say "Hey! The learning curve is too high." are those who don't really want/need Emacs. -- Bastien