[feature request] Quotation marks in LaTeX export

[feature request] Quotation marks in LaTeX export

[Sven Bretfeld]

Hello List

Quotation marks like "these" are converted to ``these'' by
org-export-latex. It would be much better to use \enquote{these}.

The \enquote tag belongs to the powerful csquotes package. Not only does
this package chose the correct quotation mark style for the document
language as defined by babel, it also supports nested quotations, e.g.:

He said: \enquote{This a \enquote{nonsense} sentence.}

would be rendered as:

He said: "This is a `nonsense' sentence."

Using \enquote as a default translation would make things much easier
for non-English users. Is there a way to configure that? Or at least to
let org-export-latex produce German quotation marks: "`xxx"' instead of
``xxx''?

Greetings,

Sven

Re: [feature request] Quotation marks in LaTeX export

[Sven Bretfeld]

Hi

"Sven Bretfeld" <sven.bretfeld@gmx.ch> writes:

> Quotation marks like "these" are converted to ``these'' by
> org-export-latex. It would be much better to use \enquote{these}.

I have seen that org-latex.el links the quotation marks to the LANG
environment. So far only French and English are supported. I think this
is more complicated than it needs to be. Anyway, users with a French
environment also write English texts from time to time. We already have
a user-configurable, language-sensitive solution with the
csquotes-package. Why not use it?

On my system, I just changed the respective code in org-latex.el to
\enquote{}. It's working and it's easy. But it will be gone with the
next update.

Greetings,

Sven

Re: [feature request] Quotation marks in LaTeX export

[Scot Becker]

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For what it's worth, I also think that an option to do this would be useful.



On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Sven Bretfeld <sven.bretfeld@gmx.ch> wrote:

> Hi
>
> "Sven Bretfeld" <sven.bretfeld@gmx.ch> writes:
>
> > Quotation marks like "these" are converted to ``these'' by
> > org-export-latex. It would be much better to use \enquote{these}.
>
> I have seen that org-latex.el links the quotation marks to the LANG
> environment. So far only French and English are supported. I think this
> is more complicated than it needs to be. Anyway, users with a French
> environment also write English texts from time to time. We already have
> a user-configurable, language-sensitive solution with the
> csquotes-package. Why not use it?
>
> On my system, I just changed the respective code in org-latex.el to
> \enquote{}. It's working and it's easy. But it will be gone with the
> next update.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Sven
>
>
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Re: [feature request] Quotation marks in LaTeX export

[Carsten Dominik]

On Jan 26, 2010, at 7:26 AM, Scot Becker wrote:

> For what it's worth, I also think that an option to do this would be  
> useful.

Hi Scott, it is worth a lot - more often that not a
second voice like this is what is making the difference...

- Carsten

>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Sven Bretfeld  
> <sven.bretfeld@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Hi
>
> "Sven Bretfeld" <sven.bretfeld@gmx.ch> writes:
>
> > Quotation marks like "these" are converted to ``these'' by
> > org-export-latex. It would be much better to use \enquote{these}.
>
> I have seen that org-latex.el links the quotation marks to the LANG
> environment. So far only French and English are supported. I think  
> this
> is more complicated than it needs to be. Anyway, users with a French
> environment also write English texts from time to time. We already  
> have
> a user-configurable, language-sensitive solution with the
> csquotes-package. Why not use it?
>
> On my system, I just changed the respective code in org-latex.el to
> \enquote{}. It's working and it's easy. But it will be gone with the
> next update.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Sven
>
>
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- Carsten

Re: [feature request] Quotation marks in LaTeX export

[Carsten Dominik]

Hi Sven,

can you send me a path, preferably with an option to turn this on and  
off?

Thanks.

- Carsten

On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Sven Bretfeld wrote:

> Hi
>
> "Sven Bretfeld" <sven.bretfeld@gmx.ch> writes:
>
>> Quotation marks like "these" are converted to ``these'' by
>> org-export-latex. It would be much better to use \enquote{these}.
>
> I have seen that org-latex.el links the quotation marks to the LANG
> environment. So far only French and English are supported. I think  
> this
> is more complicated than it needs to be. Anyway, users with a French
> environment also write English texts from time to time. We already  
> have
> a user-configurable, language-sensitive solution with the
> csquotes-package. Why not use it?
>
> On my system, I just changed the respective code in org-latex.el to
> \enquote{}. It's working and it's easy. But it will be gone with the
> next update.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Sven
>
>
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- Carsten

Re: [feature request] Quotation marks in LaTeX export

[Sven Bretfeld]

Hi Carsten

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

> can you send me a path, preferably with an option to turn this on and
> off?

For now, I only have this dummy solution in my .emacs:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(eval-after-load "org-latex"
'(defun org-export-latex-quotation-marks ()
  "Export quotation marks depending on language conventions."
  (let* ((lang (plist-get org-export-latex-options-plist :language))
	 (quote-rpl (if (equal lang "fr")
			'(("\\(\\s-\\)\"" "«~")
			  ("\\(\\S-\\)\"" "~»")
			  ("\\(\\s-\\)'" "`"))
		      '(("\\(\\s-\\|[[(]\\)\"" "\\enquote\{")
			("\\(\\S-\\)\"" "\}")
			("\\(\\s-\\|(\\)'" "`")))))
    (mapc (lambda(l) (goto-char (point-min))
	    (while (re-search-forward (car l) nil t)
	      (let ((rpl (concat (match-string 1)
				 (org-export-latex-protect-string
				  (copy-sequence (cadr l))))))
		(org-if-unprotected-1
		 (replace-match rpl t t))))) quote-rpl)))
)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

It's a static setup, just an altered clone of the code in org-latex.el.
I have not the skills to make a switch out of this. One has to add the
header \usepackage[babel]{csquotes}. So, an option has to make sure that
csquotes as well as babel is loaded with the correct language settings:
\usepackage[english,ngerman]{babel} in my case. If connected to babel,
csquotes will also take care to pick the correct quotation marks if the
language is switched in the midst of the document.

Greetings

Sven

Re: [feature request] Quotation marks in LaTeX export

[Carsten Dominik]

OK, thanks, I will take a look at that.

Hmmm, I also see that csquotes is not always present in  
distributions... :(

So this really has to be optional....

- Carsten

On Jan 27, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Sven Bretfeld wrote:

> Hi Carsten
>
> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> can you send me a path, preferably with an option to turn this on and
>> off?
>
> For now, I only have this dummy solution in my .emacs:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> (eval-after-load "org-latex"
> '(defun org-export-latex-quotation-marks ()
>  "Export quotation marks depending on language conventions."
>  (let* ((lang (plist-get org-export-latex-options-plist :language))
> 	 (quote-rpl (if (equal lang "fr")
> 			'(("\\(\\s-\\)\"" "«~")
> 			  ("\\(\\S-\\)\"" "~»")
> 			  ("\\(\\s-\\)'" "`"))
> 		      '(("\\(\\s-\\|[[(]\\)\"" "\\enquote\{")
> 			("\\(\\S-\\)\"" "\}")
> 			("\\(\\s-\\|(\\)'" "`")))))
>    (mapc (lambda(l) (goto-char (point-min))
> 	    (while (re-search-forward (car l) nil t)
> 	      (let ((rpl (concat (match-string 1)
> 				 (org-export-latex-protect-string
> 				  (copy-sequence (cadr l))))))
> 		(org-if-unprotected-1
> 		 (replace-match rpl t t))))) quote-rpl)))
> )
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> It's a static setup, just an altered clone of the code in org- 
> latex.el.
> I have not the skills to make a switch out of this. One has to add the
> header \usepackage[babel]{csquotes}. So, an option has to make sure  
> that
> csquotes as well as babel is loaded with the correct language  
> settings:
> \usepackage[english,ngerman]{babel} in my case. If connected to babel,
> csquotes will also take care to pick the correct quotation marks if  
> the
> language is switched in the midst of the document.
>
> Greetings
>
> Sven
>
>
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- Carsten