From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Failing to see the allure of Emacs Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:01:16 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <871vf867pv.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <877hp5e2op.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87pr2u7ie3.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <9uudnY0F7J_qFjfWnZ2dnUVZ8oCdnZ2d@posted.visi> <87mxxweqr6.fsf@rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1272998974 10728 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2010 18:49:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:49:34 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 04 20:49:33 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9NBO-0001Tw-T3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 May 2010 20:49:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32896 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O9NBO-0000cd-8R for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 May 2010 14:49:26 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!newsserver.news.garr.it!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!news.netcologne.de!ramfeed1.netcologne.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool4.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:G9u397AUOZMU5GcDPQKU5RYUkb4= Original-Lines: 38 Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Mar 2010 11:01:18 CET Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 2c0b967e.newsspool3.arcor-online.net Original-X-Trace: DXC=>QoVi>e0k6QaoembcbF; DQMcF=Q^Z^V3X4Fo<]lROoRQ8kFhTn0Eon^1_LiI6ENVa]3>5MOK` List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:73056 Archived-At: "akaiser@visi.com" writes: > Up to date? > > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/elisp.html > Updated: $Date: 2007/06/10 19:32:20 $ $Author: cyd $ Uh, that's the time stamp of the download page, not the manual. If you actually bothered following a link to the manual, you'd have found This Info file contains edition 3.0 of the GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual, corresponding to GNU Emacs version 23.1. This is edition 3.0 of the GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual, corresponding to Emacs version 23.1. Copyright © 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc. So the manual you complain about is the manual of the latest released version, updated in 2009, when this version was released. The process was very time consuming and involved every manual page being checked for wording and accuracy by at least two proof readers. Checking and updating the manual was one of the main factors holding up the release of Emacs 23.1. If you can pinpoint any particular part of the manual that would not be up to date or not well-crossreferenced or incomplete, go ahead. But bashing it vaguely without bothering to look at it, on the assumption that it might hit the right nerve if you do it hard enough in its general direction, is not really appropriate given the circumstances. -- David Kastrup