From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Joseph Brenner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: line-move-visual Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 14:38:23 -0700 Message-ID: <871vcfanu8.fsf@kzsu.stanford.edu> References: <87pr07qjio.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <878w6vq7ew.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <871vcmhq79.fsf@wivenhoe.ul.ie> <580d5f23-e251-483f-9752-7e77b1ca2fb7@40g2000pry.googlegroups.com> <2a7dc148-e2cc-4681-9d8c-ccd1140aa6d7@j36g2000prj.googlegroups.com> <089883ee-0a63-4cb4-a0ec-d2fe4e71cc03@y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <87wruco5yq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291830256 3903 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 17:44:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:44:16 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 18:44:12 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQO3o-0002kQ-Bt for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 18:44:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55241 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQO3n-0002VI-Nr for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:44:11 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.posted.rawbandwidth!news.posted.rawbandwidth.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:38:00 -0500 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:/46vNa6Rf1JSkVwJZZgQfUrR3fs= Original-Lines: 35 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.144.208.84 Original-X-Trace: sv3-SJ5KhEhGXiI06440GMdcTFKShW5h0ClKXvaLbJiGE2eYy8mBqhbWFwHG/8dXkZw7zs+rENzciHRng3f!a3vQDqbx3kAA5SJ6/5IdwuK9Ansh5upTzE76fT+HMO4Rh7Qxa0chvAnKhGwDvRaTJlZBvfeRfL8= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178777 comp.emacs:99959 comp.lang.lisp:288880 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:75720 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > Uday S Reddy writes: > >> Coupled with these real technical issues, there are the attitudinal >> problems of holier-than-thou, smarter-than-thou and modern-than-thou >> and what have you. > > Everybody is free to join the discussions on the Emacs developer lists. > Those who choose not to help with the work don't get to criticize the > results. A common democratic principle. So... if I want to avoid breakage-on-upgrade on my system, I need to become a member of the development process of: emacs linux kernel ubuntu (and presumably debian) x windows Not to mention: apache postgresql perl mh-e mh ...and much more. If I thought everyone in the free and/or open world really believed this, I would've voted with my feet a long time ago. (Maybe you should stop pretending you're our spokesman, huh?)