From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Selection changes in revno 100822 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 22:23:38 +0900 Message-ID: <871va12uqt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <834oeyv3ww.fsf@gnu.org> <87mxsqyp98.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83zkwptyij.fsf@gnu.org> <87tymx38m2.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <83tymxtuzm.fsf@gnu.org> <83pqxltmgr.fsf@gnu.org> <87lj892wzg.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <83mxsptkho.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281792241 29148 80.91.229.12 (14 Aug 2010 13:24:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 13:24:01 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 14 15:24:00 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkGiN-0005A4-Ji for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:23:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36631 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OkGiM-0007bu-Rj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:23:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=52534 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OkGiF-0007aT-GK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:23:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkGiE-00040c-9C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:23:51 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:55137) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkGiD-00040B-Su for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:23:50 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkGiC-000573-3A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:23:48 +0200 Original-Received: from 218.231.154.125.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.154.125]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:23:48 +0200 Original-Received: from miles by 218.231.154.125.eo.eaccess.ne.jp with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:23:48 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 48 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.231.154.125.eo.eaccess.ne.jp System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Cancel-Lock: sha1:7udxq0RCOlDLjRK8kT0muA3OKwo= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128684 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> No, if you select text with "C-@ > "C-w" to get it in the primary) > > The last part, about C-w, is with x-select-enable-primary non-nil, > right? With the default nil value, IIUC, C-w should _not_ put text > into primary, just into the clipboard. That's what I understand from > Jan's explanations. It's with "emacs -Q" >> though now that I test it, "shift selected" text _does_ get put in >> the primary (lame!). > > Why ``lame''? Selections with C-SPC+movement and with Shift+movement > are different, so why expect them to behave the same. They should not be different. To a user, they're both "selection", and every pointless difference is just grounds for confusion. The user should be able to use whichever he find convenient (or both ... I do) without weird subtle differences. > I think shift-selected text is conceptually like mouse-selected text. > Do you expect mouse-selected text also not set the primary selection? I'd be fine with that, though I imagine the same drive for "compatibility with other apps" that started the current round of mucking-about would resist that solution. Mouse-Selection has always been "kind of weird" in Emacs (compared to keyboard selection); I don't think that's good, but I think it's more acceptable than subtle inconsistencies between keyboard selection methods. Of course, perhaps the best solution of all, would be to have _all_ selections available as primary (including "C-@ " selections). That would give both consistency within emacs, and with other apps. >> Sometimes I think this stuff is just completely random... > > I know the feeling ;-) -Miles -- Discriminate, v.i. To note the particulars in which one person or thing is, if possible, more objectionable than another.