From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Selection changes in revno 100822
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 22:23:38 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <871va12uqt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 83mxsptkho.fsf@gnu.org
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> No, if you select text with "C-@ <movement", it doesn't (you have to do
>> "C-w" to get it in the primary)
>
> The last part, about C-w, is with x-select-enable-primary non-nil,
> right? With the default nil value, IIUC, C-w should _not_ put text
> into primary, just into the clipboard. That's what I understand from
> Jan's explanations.
It's with "emacs -Q"
>> though now that I test it, "shift selected" text _does_ get put in
>> the primary (lame!).
>
> Why ``lame''? Selections with C-SPC+movement and with Shift+movement
> are different, so why expect them to behave the same.
They should not be different. To a user, they're both "selection", and
every pointless difference is just grounds for confusion. The user
should be able to use whichever he find convenient (or both ... I do)
without weird subtle differences.
> I think shift-selected text is conceptually like mouse-selected text.
> Do you expect mouse-selected text also not set the primary selection?
I'd be fine with that, though I imagine the same drive for
"compatibility with other apps" that started the current round of
mucking-about would resist that solution.
Mouse-Selection has always been "kind of weird" in Emacs (compared to
keyboard selection); I don't think that's good, but I think it's more
acceptable than subtle inconsistencies between keyboard selection
methods.
Of course, perhaps the best solution of all, would be to have _all_
selections available as primary (including "C-@ <movement>"
selections). That would give both consistency within emacs, and with
other apps.
>> Sometimes I think this stuff is just completely random...
>
> I know the feeling ;-)
-Miles
--
Discriminate, v.i. To note the particulars in which one person or thing is,
if possible, more objectionable than another.
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Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-08-13 17:05 Selection changes in revno 100822 Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 1:08 ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-14 8:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 8:24 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-14 9:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 12:16 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-14 12:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 12:35 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-14 13:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 13:23 ` Miles Bader [this message]
2010-08-14 13:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 13:32 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-14 13:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 0:55 ` Kenichi Handa
2010-08-14 9:46 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-14 11:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 13:54 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-14 14:31 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-14 15:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 17:21 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-14 19:04 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-14 22:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 22:33 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-14 22:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 23:42 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-15 2:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 19:16 ` James Cloos
2010-08-15 13:52 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-15 15:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 17:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-15 17:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 17:48 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-15 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 19:29 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-15 20:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 23:01 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-16 3:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 3:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-16 5:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 6:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-16 8:11 ` Manoj Srivastava
2010-08-16 8:25 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-16 9:31 ` Manoj Srivastava
2010-08-16 9:50 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-16 11:27 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-16 11:38 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-14 22:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 17:39 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-14 21:52 ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-14 22:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 1:11 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-15 2:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 15:05 ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-15 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 2:35 ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-16 2:50 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-16 3:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 7:07 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-16 8:57 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-16 9:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 9:28 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-16 6:53 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-16 7:09 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-16 8:52 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-15 4:48 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-15 5:31 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-15 6:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 14:04 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-15 15:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 17:27 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-15 17:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 19:50 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-15 20:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 20:40 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-15 21:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 21:42 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-15 22:55 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-16 3:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 16:57 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-15 19:19 ` James Cloos
2010-08-16 11:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-15 4:48 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-15 6:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 7:19 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-15 8:26 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-15 9:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-15 10:25 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-15 12:48 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-15 7:22 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2010-08-15 9:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 11:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-16 11:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 13:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-16 19:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-16 22:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-17 2:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-17 7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-17 2:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-17 15:12 ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-17 15:39 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-17 16:10 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-17 16:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-17 16:50 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-17 18:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-17 21:07 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-17 21:35 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-18 2:12 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-18 22:28 ` James Cloos
2010-08-14 12:28 ` Johan Bockgård
2010-08-14 12:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 18:49 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-14 18:54 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-14 22:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-14 22:39 ` David De La Harpe Golden
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