From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: binding ibuffer to C-x C-b by default Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:48:22 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <871v81qix5.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <8F022F3B2C5D4C2AB8A90CBDD7660FF1@us.oracle.com> <878w29a5ns.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87zkup8qaw.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87eic14gfs.fsf@telefonica.net> <877hht4dyt.fsf@telefonica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1286520534 14052 80.91.229.12 (8 Oct 2010 06:48:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 06:48:54 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 08 08:48:54 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P46l9-0007t2-90 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:48:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44668 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P46l8-00020k-Ru for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 02:48:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40394 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P46ky-0001zx-Kh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 02:48:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P46ku-0002ZP-Ug for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 02:48:40 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:36969) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P46ku-0002ZH-NI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 02:48:36 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P46kq-0007n6-Vs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:48:32 +0200 Original-Received: from p508ed153.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.209.83]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:48:32 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508ed153.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:48:32 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ed153.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:UOONA1ywHqbQzd0kGuWt4u9f/oQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:131470 Archived-At: Óscar Fuentes writes: > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > >>>> That's even more annoying. I hate having my cursor keys rebound to >>>> surprising actions. >>> >>> What would be the unsurprising (and not useless) behavior here? >> >> Leaving the cursor keys to behave like normal, for instance? That would >> be very unsurprising, but the usefulness is debatable. Sometimes >> avoiding driving the user crazy is better than maximum usefulness. > > Moving the cursor left and right adds zero convenience while using > ibuffer, it is wasting two keys. Miles did not discover their binding by throwing the cat at the keyboard, I presume. Obviously he _did_ want to do something with the cursor movement keys (like moving to a file name part in order to cut and paste), and that did not work. So "wasting" is clearly hyperbole. -- David Kastrup