From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: just-the-text Emacs frame Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 12:37:27 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <871uzag6js.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87aaebbndz.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4DDDA5A7.6040109@siege-engine.com> <87boyp5vyi.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87mxi8xq6y.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o4ebtq0.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87vcwpsa6y.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871uzccr2k.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lixji1mz.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87r57beyqk.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4DE90C32.7090105@swipnet.se> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1307122695 11609 80.91.229.12 (3 Jun 2011 17:38:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 17:38:15 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 03 19:38:11 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QSYK3-0005xn-58 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 19:38:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52482 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSYK2-0000Qf-18 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:38:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:44613) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSYJf-0000Pt-Ad for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:37:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSYJd-0005W9-5l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:37:47 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:35501) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSYJc-0005Vw-K7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:37:45 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QSYJX-0005jo-Fk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 19:37:39 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 19:37:39 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 19:37:39 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 37 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:HTuZYiV4NSBsKhp+4j0JWdNS3cI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140140 Archived-At: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:30:42 +0200 Jan Djärv wrote: JD> Ted Zlatanov skrev 2011-06-03 17.11: >> emacs-panel.el will be a package in the GNU ELPA (I hope), so if you can >> commit there you can work on it too. I'd like to avoid depending on any >> particular features like your WM strut+dock support, the GTK >> decorated+deletable properties I asked for, etc. That way it can be >> used in older Emacs versions and in XEmacs. So if you can merge your >> strut+dock work into the Emacs trunk that's great, but it's not critical. JD> I'm not so positive to the strut+windw type modifications for three reasons: JD> 1) It can all be done in Lisp in a current Emacs without code JD> modifications (well you have to unmap and remap for window type to JD> take effect, so that is a bit ugly). If so, that's good news; it doesn't matter if it's ugly if it can be abstracted inside emacs-panel.el. JD> 2) Strut is intended for pagers, panel and such, Emacs is not that JD> kind of application. I want emacs-panel.el to do the job of gnome-panel. So I'd like Emacs to look like a panel. Specifically, it would be ideal if the WM could automatically place a special Emacs frame on a screen edge and keep it on top of others (which IIUC is a strut). I also need the frame to have no decorations but that's another thread :) JD> 3) Window types interract with override redirect and just setting the JD> window type might not do the expected thing for all window managers. JD> Window type might have uses, but then override redirect should be JD> handeled correctly also. I don't think strut is suitable in Emacs. If you think it's not going to work, OK. But it would be nice. Ted