From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Git mirrors Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:48:08 -0700 Message-ID: <871uuh25ef.fsf@ktravel.red-bean.com> References: <8762k095n4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871uuksdxi.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83lissxj9a.fsf@gnu.org> <87k48by7ex.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87r52jfbrw.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87k48bf1q9.fsf@wanadoo.es> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318459420 15093 80.91.229.12 (12 Oct 2011 22:43:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes , John Wiegley , schwab@linux-m68k.org, rms@gnu.org To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 13 00:43:36 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RE7WQ-0002bl-P7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:43:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45208 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RE7WQ-0002Cr-BB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:43:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:36603) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RE7WO-0002Cj-1c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:43:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RE7WN-0000LJ-7Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:43:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:46273) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RE7WL-0000Ks-Py; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:43:30 -0400 Original-Received: by qadb17 with SMTP id b17so1272734qad.0 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:43:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=cwIZnyerZjuPfXUwbCEIjS0KqKUXAgA3gcS/xR26O4I=; b=If6DvZok8qX1xPWvgQuEWwoTir8wJRajzhIXz63UETwxKh3IAnccW3LzJMI7jUsIkM FLkiItEpw+gTfjOBNQzsVm1ymewi/ILxnkU9YrzwEqEGTeYumewKimC3XwP+e0Qxz8ps DnnthjBCDpuJvwTbEOH/1VZLFWJ46RmRtGw0g= Original-Received: by 10.68.55.100 with SMTP id r4mr4000558pbp.69.1318459408023; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ktravel.red-bean.com ([97.65.119.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ki1sm4271642pbb.3.2011.10.12.15.43.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:43:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:18:03 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.216.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:145071 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: >What we are really trying to do is engage the Emacs community to spend more >time on Emacs rather than fighting version control. For many, the "path of >least resistance" is to provide commits in a format they can most easily >consume, rather than mandating that all use a single system to satisfy a >political goal which may or may not concern them. > >In the end, I think increasing the pool of Emacs developers, the speed of >Emacs development, the amount of testing and bug fixing that gets done, will >serve the FSF's overall agenda more than trying to garner public support for >Bazaar through a single project. +1 It is *because* I support free software that I wish Emacs would switch to Git on Savannah. Doing so would be better for the cause. That's no slur on Bazaar. It's just that Savannah clearly does not have have the resources to support many different version control systems well -- and as a result, we're not really helping Bazaar anyway. If the goal is to support another GNU project, our switch to Bzr did not serve that goal. Our difficulties switching to it have become well known and have been cited *by other projects* as an argument against switching to Bazaar themselves. We're not doing Bazaar any favors by continuing to use it poorly and then complaining about it amongst ourselves in publicly-archived forums! (Sorry, no, I'm not going to spend time digging up the references unless there's a serious chance that doing so will cause GNU Emacs development to switch to Git or some other system that the majority of this group actually prefers.) The idea that we are helping either ourselves or a fellow GNU project here should be treated as merely a hypothesis until there is actual evidence of it. -Karl