From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jay Belanger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:59:06 -0500 Message-ID: <871u4go1bp.fsf@gmail.com> References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> Reply-To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1379894371 4185 80.91.229.3 (22 Sep 2013 23:59:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 23:59:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pjb@informatimago.com, Eli Zaretskii , jay.p.belanger@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 23 01:59:34 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VNtYr-0005IW-NQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 01:59:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37065 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNtYr-00039p-2l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 19:59:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56792) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNtYg-00039h-IY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 19:59:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNtYY-00054U-4s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 19:59:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x231.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::231]:39249) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNtYX-00054L-V6; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 19:59:14 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id qd12so4937409ieb.8 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:59:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to:cc:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=dsIyJa72uq3V0Rirt9Ng3tXruuOyhq7mH+z5UCmc4gM=; b=mMVJm/dD5WLiCT1ZVRTzJnIKzLbOuM2YoSdGNPOZEU4knOM8y1rU2SmOx7/N4oFFNd 0x9qIGVckgXtIrYaYb1OQrTHrb4wB5bhsQJZoVjlApyrZeDzoj4Mdr8/B+aVGnyF37ml 6aS89I4FQ8rJb2124SFuHMbiexPZrG8tXYxTImaS/4CQx5YQoqSjtuI5kmVzE3jnldOJ SV+tRywsJbN9sylINWawr3ftPEzbF8OkENRBZ05uMrx3DLEqm3C3V27UfHdwxT2kmeeK 3pxOc/11Xn92cG5Hoi+/K0eHQ2fosFNRzyjZqU3hpbBXcD7tr4gX46Eyg6D2HJlDBxTJ gnlQ== X-Received: by 10.50.39.51 with SMTP id m19mr10336977igk.51.1379894352667; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from belanger-home (184-155-87-143.cpe.cableone.net. [184.155.87.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id oq3sm16098588igb.1.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:59:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Mon, 23 Sep 2013 01:21:22 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163559 Archived-At: >> Really, why should I have to read a tutorial >> that forces me to use strange and awkward key-bindings just to figure >> out how to move the cursor around the screen effectively and scroll >> the window?! The arrow keys?