From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs will never be a WYSIWYG-editor and should not try to Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:15:33 +0100 Message-ID: <871u234j7u.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <2013-11-22T16-27-58@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <83k3g0cnby.fsf@gnu.org> <2013-11-24T11-44-42@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <83zjotbv29.fsf@gnu.org> <87iovf640c.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <5294659B.9050502@online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385457352 13521 80.91.229.3 (26 Nov 2013 09:15:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:15:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6hler?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 26 10:15:57 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VlEkO-0005ik-O0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:15:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57375 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlEkO-0006Re-8a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:15:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45283) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlEkF-0006L3-Um for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:15:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlEkA-00068Y-4C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:15:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-we0-x231.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::231]:52506) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlEk9-00068M-KC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:15:42 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-we0-f177.google.com with SMTP id p61so4962089wes.22 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 01:15:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Fa2A4TBltA10f6Ob79fC8n+CjN13PzBuKQf++l5A0jg=; b=xjDjCvAGnzfiaGpalAbgbWtOpDqcaiTuiJupbRTbWKDtQXqpxzaTiRmLvHLl/0+lu+ m+GVEuYakXg0D5alPTfS6XdnKYZQJYj7CfnXBaZYe1I2+TVLtarY4ur1S2zKH+SHUfy1 LiaitpF+fd8KWC4/inZzEOi6u8HEMCtrPYwPLiV4RlKYbRuWoTOd/y2nFZI/5GfoYThe FpVHFnZ9VYkg7KdbK0NfOewGV4UJuoDFN+w4t4qV2JUt2X9WVMZEC8qqAquL1kceFZY/ QdWByqV5c0zCmuHgSWjFtwxZA/yvDsZ9XF4e4CdsCmY7b+B5bnsJCUolTAOYMQHrnjWE 5Jzw== X-Received: by 10.194.20.202 with SMTP id p10mr6075459wje.39.1385457340695; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 01:15:40 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from bzg.localdomain (mar75-2-81-56-68-112.fbx.proxad.net. [81.56.68.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y20sm58634545wib.0.2013.11.26.01.15.35 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 01:15:35 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by bzg.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D0A471C2087E; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:15:33 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <5294659B.9050502@online.de> ("Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6hle?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?r=22's?= message of "Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:10:51 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c03::231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165750 Archived-At: Hi Andreas, Andreas Röhler writes: > AFAIS org-mode is composed of at least three major areas: > > - the org-mode strictly spoken, with it's date-time and planning stuff. > - literal programming with it's exporters, which is probably of most interest here > - basic fixes and enhancements of common Emacs features, tables, footnotes etc. > > Would wish the both last items seeing back-ported into major Emacs > without need of org-mode. For the second item, you can't have it without Org. For the third one, there is already M-x orgtbl-mode RET M-x orgstruct-mode RET Do you have a concrete suggestion for another minor-mode that could spin off from Org? -- Bastien