From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Achim Gratz Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:48:56 +0100 Organization: Linux Private Site Message-ID: <871u1by9xz.fsf@Rainer.invalid> References: <5288A59E.7030109@dancol.org> <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mwl04w3k.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <87iovo4caz.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <878uvmoypl.fsf@dod.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1387280965 32189 80.91.229.3 (17 Dec 2013 11:49:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:49:25 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 17 12:49:28 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vst9U-0006rI-MA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:49:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60915 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vst9U-0005VR-Cx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:49:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56620) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vst9L-0005US-Cz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:49:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vst9F-0002fj-77 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:49:19 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:38808) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vst9F-0002fe-0A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:49:13 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vst9D-0006do-KY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:49:11 +0100 Original-Received: from pd9eb33f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.235.51.242]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:49:11 +0100 Original-Received: from Stromeko by pd9eb33f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:49:11 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 45 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9eb33f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:5AKuNmpTzt3ydi2Ev9IduKfKp2E= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:166547 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Is it the case that Org mode applies one single policy to all documents, > and the user can choose which policy that is? Like many modes, there is a default policy which is controlled by the custom variable org-startup-folded in this case. The default can be overruled on a per-file basis by either adding KEYWORDS to the file (#+STARTUP: showeverything) or visibility PROPERTIES to a (sub-)tree. > If so, maybe it should not do so. Maybe the state of folding should be > saved in the file, so that when the file is read in again, > it will be folded or unfolded the same as when it was viewed before. In the absence of such information it has to fall back on the default, however. > Or maybe the default should be "Initially totally unfolded". A mode derived from Org would perhaps need to chose different defaults, but for Org the default of folding the outline is appropriate. > Or maybe text documents should be distinguished from outlines. > An outline could be initially displayed folded, and a text document > could be initially displayed unfolded. To Org everything is an outline, it doesn't make a distinction between outline and text. To me it seems the discussion about Org has somehow drifted from the original request in this thread. Org has been mentioned as a format that Emacs already understands and can produce different output formats from. It is not, in its current form, intended to do WYSIWYG editing even though it might arguably form the basis for such a mode. Even then, some of the things that people often do with WYSIWYG are even difficult to map to Org's syntax, which is geared towards making the common things easy without introducing a lot of clutter. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ Samples for the Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#BlofeldSamplesExtra