From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Obscure error/warning/information message from git pull Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 10:50:36 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <871toziknn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20141114180521.GA3168@acm.acm> <20141114230235.GF3168@acm.acm> <20141117141123.GA4294@acm.acm> <83lhn89zxn.fsf@gnu.org> <83bno49xtw.fsf@gnu.org> <20141118224326.GA5167@acm.acm> <20141118194818.62232270@anarchist.wooz.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416390687 17839 80.91.229.3 (19 Nov 2014 09:51:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:51:27 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 19 10:51:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr1ux-0007XD-0Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 10:51:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57235 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr1uw-0002NK-4X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:51:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47871) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr1ud-0002Me-Je for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:51:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr1uX-0003Ae-HC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:50:59 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:56064) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr1uX-0003AW-AL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:50:53 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xr1uV-0007NN-4p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 10:50:51 +0100 Original-Received: from x2f46629.dyn.telefonica.de ([2.244.102.41]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 10:50:51 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by x2f46629.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 10:50:51 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 32 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: x2f46629.dyn.telefonica.de X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:P7EJAls27uT44XNSD7zImsGNEb4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:177728 Archived-At: Barry Warsaw writes: > On Nov 18, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >>You must also admit that git is at fault here for misusing common words. >>A "branch" in English is not and cannot mean a "tip of a branch". Yet >>git has twisted the language such that this has become its meaning. And >>any cultured person must suppress his revulsion at such abuse as part of >>the cost of learning git. YUCK! > > I would concur. For someone with decades of $vcs experience, I think the > subtly (and sometimes not-so-) differences in terminology, which translates to > non-obvious cli behavior is the biggest impediment to drinking the git > kool-aid. You can view your branch as anything you want to, but new identifiable growth happens on branch tips or on new branching points on any good old English tree. And I was not aware that in plain English language any piece of a tree has to have a primary association with one particular twiglet considered to be its principal identity. At any rate, I don't see the point in further explaining anything about Git to a bunch of petulant overbearing bickerings. Less special people manage learning to work with their tools. There is a saying in German "Wenn der Bauer nicht schwimmen kann, liegt's an der Badehose" -- "if the farmer can't swim, it's the swimming trunks' fault". If you are so much smarter than the others, bring up your lectures on the Git developer list. -- David Kastrup