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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Oleh <ohwoeowho@gmail.com>
Cc: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>, "emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Clojure-like syntactic sugar for an anonymous function literal
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 10:03:06 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871tmmux4l.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA01p3pCq73zKhiX_tcPW-0wcFaM3Ab6PK-y+4x_TtzHOrcObQ@mail.gmail.com>

Oleh writes:
 > > Footnotes:
 > > [1]  ISTM that that goes without saying, given that Lisp having data
 > > and code representations using the same syntax is advertised as an
 > > advantage.
 > 
 > I don't see a problem:

Not everything is a problem.  I understand that "#(fubar indeed!)"
is reader syntax and doesn't affect internal representation of the
lambdas.  That was a comment to David that (as often happens in his
posts) he is taking the literal meaning of metaphorical or elliptical
expressions too seriously.  Metaprogramming is the soul of Lisp, I
know that and he knows that I know that.  We disagree so violently
because we disagree so little. ;-)[1]

Re this sprinkling of bitter herbs: I just don't like the syntax (in
general I'm not a fan of anatropic syntax in Lisp), and don't want to
support use of it in the educational sense of support or in core
maintenance in XEmacs.  I don't expect to convince you, it's a matter
of taste.  My likes and dislikes matter to more than me because I do a
*lot* of support, and the more magic there is in the world the harder
it is to explain to users who believe in magic that under the hood
it's just a lambda.  I think this

(car #(fubAr quux)) => 'lambda

would be *very* surprising to most users.  That kind of computation is
what functions are for.


Footnotes: 
[1]  Not funny, actually, but I'm too old to change and respect David
too much to ask him to change.  I even kinda like him as he is. :-)





  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-23  1:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-21 21:38 [PATCH] Clojure-like syntactic sugar for an anonymous function literal Oleh
2015-01-21 22:28 ` samer
2015-01-21 22:37   ` Oleh
2015-01-21 23:36     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-21 23:46       ` Oleh
2015-01-22  0:54         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-22  0:57           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-22  1:29 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-22  2:21   ` Drew Adams
2015-01-22 13:35     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2015-01-22  7:20   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-22  8:04     ` Oleh
2015-01-22  8:16       ` David Kastrup
2015-01-22  9:07       ` Andreas Schwab
2015-01-22  9:19         ` Oleh
2015-01-22  8:52   ` René Kyllingstad
2015-01-22  9:17     ` David Kastrup
2015-01-22  9:27       ` Oleh
2015-01-22  9:38         ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-22  9:45           ` Oleh
2015-01-22  9:50             ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-22  9:52               ` Oleh
2015-01-22  9:57                 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-22 10:05                   ` Oleh
2015-01-22 16:57                     ` Ivan Andrus
2015-01-23  0:54           ` Leo Liu
2015-01-24 23:33           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-22 10:15         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-22 10:20           ` David Kastrup
2015-01-22 14:21             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-22 14:31               ` Oleh
2015-01-23  1:03                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2015-01-22 10:22           ` Oleh
2015-01-22 10:32             ` David Kastrup
2015-01-22 10:40               ` Oleh
2015-01-22 10:56             ` Tassilo Horn
2015-01-22 11:03               ` Oleh
2015-01-22 14:35             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-22 14:44               ` Oleh
2015-01-23  1:11                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-22 14:48               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-23  1:17                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-22 11:03           ` Phillip Lord
2015-01-22  9:35       ` René Kyllingstad
2015-01-22  9:45         ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-22  9:49         ` David Kastrup
2015-01-22  9:53           ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-22 10:22         ` David Kastrup
2015-01-22 12:37   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-22 12:46     ` Phillip Lord
2015-01-22 12:49       ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-22 13:07         ` Oleh
2015-01-22 22:10           ` Richard Stallman
2015-01-23  9:28             ` David Kastrup
2015-01-24  1:09               ` Richard Stallman
2015-01-24  8:29                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2015-01-23 10:33             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-22 16:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-22 17:22   ` Oleh
2015-01-22 20:34     ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-22 23:36       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-22 23:38         ` Reader macros (Was: Re: [PATCH] Clojure-like syntactic sugar for an anonymous function literal) Daniel Colascione
2015-01-23  9:33           ` Reader macros David Kastrup
2015-01-23 11:45             ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-23 12:27               ` David Kastrup
2015-01-23 10:34         ` [PATCH] Clojure-like syntactic sugar for an anonymous function literal Phillip Lord
2015-01-23 10:47           ` Oleh
2015-01-23 11:53             ` Phillip Lord
2015-01-23 12:02               ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-23 11:50           ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-23 13:18             ` Phillip Lord
2015-01-23 20:24           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-23 20:52             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-23 22:25               ` Phillip Lord
2015-01-23  7:44       ` Oleh
2015-01-22 23:28     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-22 18:30   ` Artur Malabarba
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-01-26 22:22 Barry OReilly

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